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scrumed software?

Post by 3phase » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:58 pm

do we work with scrummed software? and is the mind fuck like experiance with overly complex and well hidden bug´s based in this scientology reminding production supervising technique?

and.. is all software we use scrumed softwre theese day´s?
you know.. they all start to get theese really weard bugs.. even safari started to crash..

I just learned about the scrum concept because ableton is looking for a scrum master.. first thought.. isnt the product scrumed enough allready?

second thaught.. what do software developers know about live? are they maybe easy to be manipulated and naive when brain control techniques are applied to them?

and is scrumming helping to avoid the fatal results of the peter priciple or even enhancing or simulating theese endresults from the start of a development?

is the mind boggeling software integration of the dedicated controlers LP and APC the result of scrumming?

and how will scrummed software influence our way of music production?

is working with scrumed software scruming our workflow and will lead to scrumed music?

music without anything that sparkels or can be overly bright.. because that has to be eliminated by the scrumming process?

is scrummed software gaining a degree of arteficial inteligence?
so as more far off the ideas of the user as more scrumy the software behaves to scrum the users output ?


whatever..

wish you scrumyfull day... and may the scrum master be with you...
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Re: scrumed software?

Post by Khazul » Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:30 pm

'Scrum master' is a fashion-victim name for a project manager :)

As a dev management process scrum can work really well, but sadly most encounters I have had with it seem to be panic ridden chaos with the plan changign daily on a whim - probably just the quality of wannabe project managers you often find these day who came out of project admin/ops/finances rather than actual software development and delivery.

I guess this means that Ableton have decided to adopt a software development management process and looking for someone to help them out with it :)
Lets hope someone there has enough experience of broader software development processes to hire a dev manager who knows what they are doing and get the quality up again. Sounds like a good sign for the future of Live.
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Re: scrumed software?

Post by 3phase » Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:17 pm

Khazul wrote:'Scrum master' is a fashion-victim name for a project manager :)

As a dev management process scrum can work really well, but sadly most encounters I have had with it seem to be panic ridden chaos with the plan changign daily on a whim - probably just the quality of wannabe project managers you often find these day who came out of project admin/ops/finances rather than actual software development and delivery.
thats the point.. theese scrumming is rather a manifestion and consolidating technique for this wannabe project managers.. in the old days of copper biz we often had to deal with total idiot "projekt managers" we just totaly ignored them. dialed in directly with the development department, what you only can do as a freelance without dependencys...fixed the shit, what no employe would have risked to do.. because the harmony within he company = the hirachy is more important than its surrival on the market..
..deliverd in time.. taken the job of the projekt manager with us...
so there was natural ways to fight incompetence by independance.

with this new techniques there is no official incompetence anymore and the most dangerous team member is not the incompetent in the leading position anymore..its the better idea that might get in conflict with the scedule.. the most important thing .. for pseudo projekt managers.. allways having theire flow chart in mind..while ordering the wrong materials to the wrong city...

so leading at its best... no rumours at the base.. and even rough mistakes can be eleminated without direct responsebilitys for the leading departments... thats pretty great.. and actually not a new idea... thats why kings allowed parlaments in the first place..

i just wonder how this inflicts with the peter principle.. you create leading positions that dont hold the danger of personal failure anymore.. so no further promotion necessary.
so scrum master is an endpoint of a typical peter carier.. a position one cant do harm anymore by incompetence...

but who is leading the process than? the process leads itself? all cells evenly possessed with talent and foolishness.. like a mad robot but quickly in holding up with production cycles.. perfection is not required and genial ideas just interupt the process.. the structure is more important than the product.. function follows form..

sorry.. maybe i am old fashioned..but all my alarm bells ring when i read about scrumming...
do you know the movie brazil?

I just wonder if that what we have now is the result of scrumming or are they trying to get out of the mess by scrumming?

The actual state actually fits with the immage the short wiki readings about scrumming has created with me...

so i would not be be surprised if Live 8 is a scrummed product allready..

the dedicated controlers most certainly are.. or? they look like something that has been created without straight supervison but in a very short time..so there must have been a force behind.. but not a force hat gave functional details much weight..

there are great ideas behind but the execution of details appears really retardet ... so like having 2 handwritings in one product.. genial ideas and foolish ones go hand in hand molded together like beeing intended.. what only leads to the conclusion that the creator had a crazy mind... or maybe different ones just scrummed together?

what creates a really strange feel when something so brilliant can be so stupid at the same time.. just like human society !! .. the equalizing results of scrumming? like socialist countrys cars?

so the east was practizing scrumming with all the daily rituals and known result to the end product allready?

meine hand für mein produkt... brigade frida hackauf !!


maybe frida can become abletons new scrum master?
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Re: scrumed software?

Post by Dennis DeSantis » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:18 pm

Hi folks,

Please feel free to submit bug reports and feature requests if you feel that something in Live isn't working properly.

Likewise, please feel free to submit job applications if you feel that you can contribute to the development of Ableton's products from the inside.

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Re: scrumed software?

Post by 3phase » Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:29 pm

Dennis DeSantis wrote:Hi folks,

Please feel free to submit bug reports and feature requests if you feel that something in Live isn't working properly.

Likewise, please feel free to submit job applications if you feel that you can contribute to the development of Ableton's products from the inside.

Best,

he is spamming my scrum report :x

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Re: scrumed software?

Post by Khazul » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:05 pm

Dennis DeSantis wrote:Hi folks,

Please feel free to submit bug reports and feature requests if you feel that something in Live isn't working properly.

Likewise, please feel free to submit job applications if you feel that you can contribute to the development of Ableton's products from the inside.

Best,
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Re: scrumed software?

Post by Tone Deft » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:54 pm

3phase wrote:I just learned about the scrum concept...
great, the Forum Fuckwit has another new concept he has no clue about to prattle on about. :roll:
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Re: scrumed software?

Post by Ed J » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:31 pm

I got put off the whole SCRUM thing as soon as I saw that one of the 'Roles' (or whatever) in it is called 'Scrum Master'.

Now that's just stupid. I'll stick with my TDD and boring old standard PM stuff ta.
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Re: scrumed software?

Post by nylarch » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:55 pm

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Re: scrumed software?

Post by 3phase » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:05 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
3phase wrote:I just learned about the scrum concept...
great, the Forum Fuckwit has another new concept he has no clue about to prattle on about. :roll:
sorry mr tone deft.. the honor as forum fuckwit is well earned by you and your 20000 posts..

and i know enough allready about scrumming to see that this has a 100% different philosophy behind it
than the oldschool "engineering brillance 1 man company rocks the world style".
Which acctually had also for bigger companys led to a relative "freedom" for the development departments..

relative.. a constant fight with the biz departments.. but.. as long you safe theire asses and can stand that they sabotage the intended quality of the product you could go along without too much control...

its not a new thing that regarding the creative quests interdisziplinary pockets of comunikation form within a company... thats how technicans and other creative people interact by nature

the new thing about the scrumming seems to be, to have this natural prozess organized and controled by the biz department. pretty clever.. but does that help the quality?
or is that turning the goat to the gardener?

There are so many similaritys between what i ve read about scrumming today and the way ableton behaves with L8 and the integration of Max...
its pretty clear that my question wether L8 is a scrum product or not is just rethoric


Daily Scrum
Each day during the sprint, a project status meeting occurs. This is called a “daily scrum”, or “the daily standup”. This meeting has specific guidelines:
The meeting starts precisely on time.
All are welcome, but only “pigs” may speak
The meeting is timeboxed to 15 minutes
The meeting should happen at the same location and same time every day
During the meeting, each team member answers three questions:[8]
What have you done since yesterday?
What are you planning to do today?
Do you have any problems preventing you from accomplishing your goal? (It is the role of the ScrumMaster to facilitate resolution of these impediments. Typically this should occur outside the context of the Daily Scrum so that it may stay under 15 minutes.)

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Re: scrumed software?

Post by Khazul » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:24 pm

Ed J wrote:I got put off the whole SCRUM thing as soon as I saw that one of the 'Roles' (or whatever) in it is called 'Scrum Master'.

Now that's just stupid. I'll stick with my TDD and boring old standard PM stuff ta.
The whole scrum thing and in fact most of these fashionable new PM approaches are full of such buzz words etc these days. Behind the name and all the BS etc, it isnt new as the personal who probably lays claim to inventing it might claim.

Interative customer/user friendly and communicative development processes have been around for years and many more enlightened companies have been working that way for ages quite happily and very sucessfully. The problem I see alot these days is alot of the project managers I come across now seem to have envolving from project/business operations/admin rather than development and quite honestly are completely clueless (and worse dont even care) about the techincal aspects of a project, and practical realities etc, so they in effect get reduced to been counters and facilitators. Scrum seems to give a bit of a nod to this and I guess thats part of why it has been so popular - a person can now effectively exist in what should be a management role witth subordinate role experience without really having the responsibility and experience that normally goes with it. The problem you then get - without responsibility and experience - try getting any respect beyond basic professional courtesy from those you working with - then watch moral go down the toilet :)

Now sometimes you get really lucky and find a PM/Dev lead practicing a scrum like process and they actually have technical (dev/test/analysis and maybe a bit of all ideally) experience as well as well having enough time in lead roles as well to actually not need a process framework such as this. When such people work within such a process then it can and does work really well. Agile methods are abslutetly no subsitutue for having well thought out architectue and a good realistic plan though and if anything Ive found they need to be more solid for agile to work well to ensure focus is maintained, otherwise it too easily dissolves into randomized chaos in the wrong hands.

BTW - not sure about this specific 'Scrum master' job thing - its usually the PM, test lead or dev lead this does this for our morning standups, so if advertising specifically for a 'scrum master' - then I'm guessing they aint sure what they want and are hioping to find someone who truly does know what they doing and can define a lead delivery role in their projects for them and more importantly - make it work.
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Re: scrumed software?

Post by tw1nstates » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:35 pm

I read up on it on Wikipedia a bit ago.

I am not a software developer however, as a management or project management tool it seems to be fairly well thought out in keeping the team focused and oriented on the goals of the project.
What would be wrong with that? Let everyone do what they want and assume high efficiency and competency without leadership and reporting on work done? I donno, sounds like a recipe for more bugs that way.
obviously i am not in software so I don't know but as a set of general principles to react to demand and keep a project on track then it seemed to make sense. . .
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Re: scrumed software?

Post by Poster » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:53 pm

are you guys seriously discussing how Ableton should run the company based on a job vacancy..?


seriously..


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Re: scrumed software?

Post by Tone Deft » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:59 pm

it's 3phase. :roll:

if the fuckwit knew what kind of mice the people at Ableton used he'd rally that into a source of all bugs.

isn't this a Lounge topic? this has nothing to do with Music or Audio Production.
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