the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

[9V]

In live audio is easily modified in time and pitch, the whole DAW is like a giant sampler.

yes, but the automation is MIDI...

[MacGuffin]

so you are saying that audio tracks don't exist then.

[MacGuffin]

@scutheotaku, 9v was saying "Audio tracks contain only sound (waveforms) that are not editable with musical parameters, only with sound engineering tools. My conclusion is that, in a sequencer, only MIDI tracks can be considered "music".

even if the automation is not "midi" it's some kind of digital protocol anyway, so his conclusion is that Live contains only MIDI tracks and "midi editable" audio tracks... so following that logic I guess audio tracks just don't exist.

[MacGuffin]

I'm not saying it makes sense, I'm just reaching the logical conclusion of this demented circular reasoning.

[rote fahne]

huh?

[9V]

@scutheotaku, 9v was saying "Audio tracks contain only sound (waveforms) that are not editable with musical parameters, only with sound engineering tools. My conclusion is that, in a sequencer, only MIDI tracks can be considered "music".

even if the automation is not "midi" it's some kind of digital protocol anyway, so his conclusion is that Live contains only MIDI tracks and "midi editable" audio tracks... so following that logic I guess audio tracks just don't exist.

midi tracks are those tracks containing "silent" notes and music events (music), audio tracks are those tracks containing only waveforms (sound). Therefore, as an electronic musician, i consider "music" only midi tracks. Audio material must be triggered with midi mapped instruments, as a dogma. Otherwise it is sound, and i can not accept it. Of course, this is my "dogma", not a law. Mastering of recorded acoustic music is another thing, something for sound engineers, not for musicians. In such works "music" is what the original performer played, not the recorded music in the track.

[H20nly]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle

[regretfullySaid]

Do you use Sibelius, 9V?

[H20nly]

[regretfullySaid]

...when times becomes a loop, when time becomes a loop, time becomes a loop, time becomes a loop...

[rote fahne]

midi tracks are those tracks containing "silent" notes and music events (music), audio tracks are those tracks containing only waveforms (sound).

Sound is a mechanical wave that is an oscillation of pressure transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies within the range of hearing

Waveform means the shape and form of a signal such as a wave moving in a physical medium or an abstract representation.

In the sequencer the waveform is an abstract representation.

Your misunderstanding has nothing to do with dogma, you are just very sloppy using definitions.

[9V]

Do you use Sibelius, 9V?

i know sibelius, but i use musescore http://musescore.org/en

[rote fahne]

Reporter to Itzhak Perlman: your violin sounds so good.

Perlman, looking at the violin standing in the corner: I dont hear anything.

[H20nly]

i've decided to agree with him.

fuck audio. i'm going to find a way to express my lyrics via MIDI.

[drewbixcube]

music with midi

This is not MIDI, nor is it music. It is merely a "collage" of musical notation.


Fail.