the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

[9V]

Did I write "the culmination"?! I just wrote the italians started tonal music rules in 1500. The rest is an improvement of the original italian work (above all: Gioseffo Zarlino). But the basis are there. Not to mention the score notation, invented by the italian Guido Monaco 1000 years ago, and still used. Nothing has changed in 99,9% of composed, written and played music... "2011 music" included...

[stringtapper]

Did I write "the culmination"?! I just wrote the italians started tonal music rules in 1500. The rest is an improvement of the original italian work (above all: Gioseffo Zarlino). But the basis are there. And nothing has changed in 99,9% of composed music...

And that's simply wrong again. Zarlino put forth the rules of counterpoint in the modal context, NOT a tonal context because tonality didn't EXIST when Zarlino's was alive.

And even THEN, Zarlino's was a theoretical work representing the culmination of practices that had preceded HIM, practices that were NOT only developed by the Italians. In order to teach history we must present these milestones, these culminations, but in reality history is a continuum, and to say that any one culture "did it" and that "it" happened at one pinpoint time is just silly.

[9V]

you keep on flaunting your culture, etc. But the grounds are there: guido monaco, gioseffo zarlino, the italian theoretical work. Still used nowadays worldwide...

[stringtapper]

you keep on flaunting your culture, etc. But the grounds are there: guido monaco, gioseffo zarlino, the italian theoretical work. Still used nowadays worldwide...

No one is denying the Italians played a huge role. You are the one one who doesn't seem to know about what other cultures contributed. Without Rameau what is modern harmony? Which Italian made the advances he did with the fundamental bass concept? Certainly not Tartini. Where are the Italians after 1750? Answer: the Germans took the practice over and refined it to make it what we have TODAY. So yes, it was the Italians… and the French… and the Germans… and…

[9V]

but this is OT, by the way. The real topic is: "MIDI" tracks are still music, because they can be translated/converted into music score. Infact there is a relationship between midi events and notes. Both score notes and MIDI events are editable, replayable, writable and readable as "music". "AUDIO" tracks, instead, are sound, because they can be modified only with sound restoration tools, which are not musical parameters, but sound parameters (sound engeineering). The ones who don't understand this difference HERE are the american users, above all. Why? As far as I can understand, because for them "music" is the sound, not the code. When they say "music" they mean "the sound". Infact many of them say: "MIDI is not music, because it makes no sound". To me music is what you can edit, write, re-edit, play, read (the code). It is a matter of rules. Maybe in USA when you modify a sound you are making music, as an olistic "concept"... i don't know. Here music is still written on stave... I wonder how can you write on the stave this:

[stringtapper]

but this is OT, by the way. The real topic is: "MIDI" tracks are still music, because they can be translated/converted into music score. Infact there is a relationship between midi events and notes. "AUDIO" tracks are only sound, because they can be modified only with sound restoration tools, which are not musical parameters, but sound parameters (sound engeneering). The ones who don't understand this difference HERE are the american users, above all. Why? As far as I can understand, because for them "music" is the sound, not the code. When they say "music" they mean "the sound". Infact many of them say: "MIDI is not music, because it makes no sound". To me music is what you can edit, write, re-edit, play, read (the code).

And again (this is getting tiresome) the broadened definition of "musical parameters" encompassing that which can be created, shaped, modified, and edited in the spectral domain is NOT originally American, but originates in the Paris and Cologne schools of composition from the mid-twentieth century.

But even that is OT, because the real point you miss is that there is already a well-developed practice of composition that involves manipulation of sound materials via numerous methods that are musical methods of organizing sound. You don't see them as being musical methods because they don't fit your (apparently limited) understanding of musical practice as it existed up until the early 20th century, but they are, and the world of composers has passed you by in this regard.

[stringtapper]

i don't know.

These are the truest words you have spoken in this thread. I encourage you to try to know. It will help you grow much more than simply repeating a mantra like a religious fanatic.

[9V]

this is a typical "berlusconi" answer... Your "spectral domain" composed music is 0,0001% of what humans call "music" (notes and pauses in time running on a tonal route). 99,9% of music is writable on score sheet . And I guess that avant-guard "sound" modern music is not considered music by 99% of population, unless you explain it is kind of "sperimental attempt to invent something new" etc. Otherwise they say: "nice sounds!" not "nice music"...

[stringtapper]

i don't know.

These are the truest words you have spoken in this thread. I encourage you to try to know. It will help you grow much more than simply repeating a mantra like a religious fanatic.

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[9V]

a "mantra" is a serious thing, but maybe in USA is a bad word, because not american cultural standard... who knows

[stringtapper]

who knows

i don't know.

[9V]

[stringtapper]

i don't know.

[9V]

i am still waiting for your famous music edited in the spectral domain haha

[stringtapper]

i am still waiting for your famous music edited in the spectral domain haha

You need me to do your homework for you? You are a lazy student indeed!

i don't know.

Let's leave it at that shall we?

Ok one more, for fun.

i don't know.