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that looks really interesting actually.
You might like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Science-Delusion- ... 1444727923
You might like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Science-Delusion- ... 1444727923
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What's interesting about TIA is that before it was published, atheists were prancing about saying that they would rip it apart as soon as it was released. However, once it was released, they all sort of just... well... vanished. Hmmmmmmmm.
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A quick look at reviews doesn't suggest it's full of rational debate. I imagine it slaughters Dawkins in the same way that Dawkins slaughtered religion. ie knock out blows in the eyes of people who already agree, utter nonsense to those on the other side of the argument.d.reamonn wrote:What's interesting about TIA is that before it was published, atheists were prancing about saying that they would rip it apart as soon as it was released. However, once it was released, they all sort of just... well... vanished. Hmmmmmmmm.
Fancy summing up one of his better points, so I can see if it's worth my time?
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Check out the discussion connected to A. Gibson's negative review. Blimey some people need to get a life!Forge. wrote:that looks really interesting actually.
You might like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Science-Delusion- ... 1444727923
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AwesomeForge. wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrcQAYS9JtY
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His approach is to look at what atheist superheroes such as Dawkins say and then methodically take it apart to show that, ultimately, the notion that they can somehow be considered champions of reason is ludicrous. Here's a short example of how he goes about doing this:andydes wrote:A quick look at reviews doesn't suggest it's full of rational debate. I imagine it slaughters Dawkins in the same way that Dawkins slaughtered religion. ie knock out blows in the eyes of people who already agree, utter nonsense to those on the other side of the argument.d.reamonn wrote:What's interesting about TIA is that before it was published, atheists were prancing about saying that they would rip it apart as soon as it was released. However, once it was released, they all sort of just... well... vanished. Hmmmmmmmm.
Fancy summing up one of his better points, so I can see if it's worth my time?
http://www.voxday.net/mart/AgainstNewAtheism.ppt
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Ooh, arguments in the form of charts. He'd go down a storm round these parts.
Cheers for that.
It's picking at arguments specifically made by those three then? None of the points there are ones favoured by me. Guess I'd have to get up to speed with the others first. Hmm.
Cheers for that.
It's picking at arguments specifically made by those three then? None of the points there are ones favoured by me. Guess I'd have to get up to speed with the others first. Hmm.
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agreed... using a Powerpoint presentation... very fancy!andydes wrote:Ooh, arguments in the form of charts. He'd go down a storm round these parts.
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You asked for a summary.andydes wrote:Ooh, arguments in the form of charts. He'd go down a storm round these parts.
Cheers for that.
It's picking at arguments specifically made by those three then? None of the points there are ones favoured by me. Guess I'd have to get up to speed with the others first. Hmm.
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Yep. And I was sincere saying thanks for the info. I am up for books that would challenge my views. But I don't share all the views of the big famous atheists of the day. If the point of this book is to show they're full of crap, I might give it a miss.d.reamonn wrote:You asked for a summary.Ooh, arguments in the form of charts. He'd go down a storm round these parts.
Cheers for that.
It's picking at arguments specifically made by those three then? None of the points there are ones favoured by me. Guess I'd have to get up to speed with the others first. Hmm..
However, the clue was in the title. Should have paid more attention.
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That's fair. And no, if you're not interested seeing Dawkins get deep fisted, then this is not the book for you.andydes wrote:Yep. And I was sincere saying thanks for the info. I am up for books that would challenge my views. But I don't share all the views of the big famous atheists of the day. If the point of this book is to show they're full of crap, I might give it a miss.d.reamonn wrote:You asked for a summary.Ooh, arguments in the form of charts. He'd go down a storm round these parts.
Cheers for that.
It's picking at arguments specifically made by those three then? None of the points there are ones favoured by me. Guess I'd have to get up to speed with the others first. Hmm..
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Retarded graphs are retarded.
You can't simply claim you've solved the issue of whether war is caused by or exacerbated by religion by a graph. Absolutely stupid.
For instance Hitler and the nazis claimed religious reasons, including divine providence for their wars, yet at the same time were antagonistic towards established religions.
So where does the 50 million killed in WWII fit? The emperor of Japan was considered a living god, yet the generals behind Japans militarism didn't really take him into account so much.... it's not an easy question to answer. This is typical of every single war besides a few militant communist battles in recent history. People are mostly led to war on religious grounds, "our version of religion and culture is superior to the enemies, and threatened by their blasphemous ways!" type arguments.
This is IMO a red herring argument to begin with. Religion doesn't 'cause' war, but it sure the fuck motivates the masses to fight fiercely for their side, and helps generate the environment that allows war to flourish. That I don't think can be argued.
You can't simply claim you've solved the issue of whether war is caused by or exacerbated by religion by a graph. Absolutely stupid.
For instance Hitler and the nazis claimed religious reasons, including divine providence for their wars, yet at the same time were antagonistic towards established religions.
So where does the 50 million killed in WWII fit? The emperor of Japan was considered a living god, yet the generals behind Japans militarism didn't really take him into account so much.... it's not an easy question to answer. This is typical of every single war besides a few militant communist battles in recent history. People are mostly led to war on religious grounds, "our version of religion and culture is superior to the enemies, and threatened by their blasphemous ways!" type arguments.
This is IMO a red herring argument to begin with. Religion doesn't 'cause' war, but it sure the fuck motivates the masses to fight fiercely for their side, and helps generate the environment that allows war to flourish. That I don't think can be argued.
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^ all too often, it's used as a crutch...
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