Margaret. (Or, Elvis got his wish.)

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Re: Margaret. (Or, Elvis got his wish.)

Post by SuburbanThug » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:42 am

I pretty much just see politicians as the buffer zone between me and banks and corporations at this point. Both sides are saying we want it all and the politicians in between are saying, "No, you can't have it all but I'll see what the other guy will let you get away with." Unfortunately banks and corporations have a lot more money than me so I'm pretty sure I'm losing the tug of war. Even though I bailed a few of them out with my tax dollars recently.

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Re: Margaret. (Or, Elvis got his wish.)

Post by Jack McOck » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:16 am

Machinesworking wrote:
Jack McOck wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:IMO privatizing public works like electricity has been proven to be a mistake ala Enron.
The main problem with both private and public control of necessities of life is accountability, there isn't much if any.
We protect our new autocrats whether they come from corporations or governments, because they own the government, and we're well taken care of pets.
Private companies carrying out state imposed mandates is perhaps not the best example of the free market at play. If I wanted to make a case against caffeine in soft drinks, I wouldn't go after Sprite.

Meanwhile, in the world of DAWs, unfettered competition has given us everything from GarageBand iOS to Bitwig to Push. Show me one government innovation as pimp as return channels on Drum Racks and I'll donate my entire gun "collection" to Oxfam.
That's easy, nuclear weapons, stealth bombers, superhighways, bridge technology, computer technology, the internet, satellites, space missions, space stations, landing on the moon, the Curiosity rover currently on mars, laser weapons... I could go on, Not sure what Oxfam's going to do with your guns?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Nuclear weapons have been stuck in beta for 70 years, and as far as I know, no one really uses them. Meanwhile, in just a sixth of that time, we've had 8.5 versions of Live.

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Re: Margaret. (Or, Elvis got his wish.)

Post by Machinesworking » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:04 am

Jack McOck wrote: Nuclear weapons have been stuck in beta for 70 years, and as far as I know, no one really uses them. Meanwhile, in just a sixth of that time, we've had 8.5 versions of Live.
I like how you ignored the internet, space exploration etc. The whole argument that the "government can't do anything right" is so easily proven ridiculous, you lost this round big time cowboy. :P

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Re: Margaret. (Or, Elvis got his wish.)

Post by SuburbanThug » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:53 am

Don't worry, Jack. All that shit will be privatized before long and nobody will even know if you were wrong.

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Re: Margaret. (Or, Elvis got his wish.)

Post by Jack McOck » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:51 am

Machinesworking wrote:
Jack McOck wrote: Nuclear weapons have been stuck in beta for 70 years, and as far as I know, no one really uses them. Meanwhile, in just a sixth of that time, we've had 8.5 versions of Live.
I like how you ignored the internet, space exploration etc. The whole argument that the "government can't do anything right" is so easily proven ridiculous, you lost this round big time cowboy. :P
I skmply chose not to repeat your "I could go on".

Yeehaw.

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Re: Margaret. (Or, Elvis got his wish.)

Post by Jack McOck » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:52 am

SuburbanThug wrote:Don't worry, Jack. All that shit will be privatized before long and nobody will even know if you were wrong.
Indeed. This is demonstrably the current trend: governments relinquishing power.

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Re: Margaret. (Or, Elvis got his wish.)

Post by re:dream » Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:28 am

Ten Myths about Thatcher


http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2013/04/17/gl ... -thatcher/
Glen Newey 17 April 2013

1. Britain became ‘great again’ by leaping up the international output table. In fact, the IMF table of economies listed by nominal GDP put Britain sixth in 1979, where it still was in 1990 – it had overtaken the Soviet Union but also been leapfrogged by Italy.

2. Thatcher presided over a dramatic contraction of the state. Despite the privatisations, industrial policy led to a countervailing increase in the welfare bill.

3. She cut taxes. In fact, as a proportion of GDP tax receipts went up between 1979 and 1990, from 33.7 to 34.6 per cent. This had to happen to avoid drastic budget deficits caused by unemployment and associated ills. Thatcher did cut taxes for the well-off, but financed them with regressive indirect tax rises, notably the VAT hike of 1979.

4. Her premiership saw a steep decline in UK manufacturing, while the service sector boomed. Manufacturing as a proportion of GDP fell from about 24 to 21 per cent, a trend followed in other major economies like the US, Germany, France and Japan.

5. Thatcher balanced the budget. The government ran a persistent deficit through the 1980s till the ‘Lawson boom’ at the end of the decade. By the time Thatcher resigned the deficit was again soaring. The deficits would have been much bigger without the twin windfalls of discounted public assets sales and North Sea oil revenue.

6. She ‘got Britain working again’. Unemployment rose sharply during the Howe recession, to three million. The later fall in jobless rates partly reflects persistent massaging of the figures, which still showed two million jobless in 1990.

7. She ‘stood up to Europe’. In 1986 she signed the Single European Act, a major derogation from UK sovereignty extending qualified majority voting in the European Council, which her government (unlike Denmark’s or Ireland’s) accepted without putting it to a referendum.

8. Her government ‘beat inflation’. The rate in May 1979 stood at 10.3 per cent; in November 1990 at 9.7 per cent. In October 1990 she took Britain into the Euro’s precursor, the Exchange Rate Mechanism; the UK’s exit from the ERM on ‘Black Wednesday’ in 1992 was partly due to speculative pressure, but also the gap between UK and German inflation rates.

9. She stood for ‘sound money’ and kept an iron grip on policy. She junked monetarism after the 1980-81 bust, and in the subsequent Lawson boom, high interest rates failed to curb inflation. Meanwhile, in an effort to keep prices down, Lawson was shadowing the Deutschmark (£1 to 3 DM), a policy of which Thatcher was apparently unaware.

10. Without Thatcher, no Blair. Well, even myths can have a grain of truth.

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