Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

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TomViolenz
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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by TomViolenz » Wed May 15, 2013 11:06 am

Jack McOck wrote: YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE BLUE EYES.
:roll:
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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by Jack McOck » Wed May 15, 2013 11:16 am

TomViolenz wrote:Dude! You are right man, you ARE confused! 8O

How is talking about your "kind" (meaning right wing conservatives, who use the word "socialist" to mean EVERYTHING they don't like) in any way racist? And I have no idea where the blue eye stuff comes from.

And yes, the whole airplane stuff came from my exchange with bastien, I just used it because it underlines the issues discussed very well.
My last post was actually the first semi serious one adressed to you, to see if just maybe it is possible to talk like an adult to your kind (there I said it again). I won't be making that mistake again...
Dude! You called me dishonest based on another man's comments. You also persist on pigeonholing me with this socialist thing. I don't like Beyonce, but I wouldn't call her socialist. And, of course, when I called you out on your bullshit, rather than actually answering me like a grown, independent man would, you're simply "duding" me.

Be as "serious" as you like, if you can't read, think, take a joke, or understand metaphor, then I see no more point to debating you than I do in having sex with a tree stump. And we all know that tree stumps are intrinsically pointless.

Because they're stumps.

Geddit?

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by bastien » Wed May 15, 2013 11:50 am

TomViolenz wrote:
bastien wrote:
TomViolenz wrote:Pretty sure Easyjet is British...
Aye. Planes bolted together in Toulouse though.
Ah got'ya, you were talking about Airbus the French/German conglomerate providing about 50% of all passenger planes in the world.

Good example of France not being behind on technology, NOT such a good example when you talk about corporate "socialism" and waste of tax payers money though... 8O

(Not that Boeing (the other 50%) is any different in this regard though!)

Hey I'm not knocking it at all... The A380 wings are made in Bristol and believe me Bristol would be proper fucked without that money coming in. Proper fucked.

Put it another way, if we don't give our manufacturers a load of pork barrel, some other country will be giving it to theirs... And I strongly believe charity begins at home :wink:

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by TomViolenz » Wed May 15, 2013 12:29 pm

Jack McOck wrote:
TomViolenz wrote:Dude! You are right man, you ARE confused! 8O

How is talking about your "kind" (meaning right wing conservatives, who use the word "socialist" to mean EVERYTHING they don't like) in any way racist? And I have no idea where the blue eye stuff comes from.

And yes, the whole airplane stuff came from my exchange with bastien, I just used it because it underlines the issues discussed very well.
My last post was actually the first semi serious one adressed to you, to see if just maybe it is possible to talk like an adult to your kind (there I said it again). I won't be making that mistake again...
Dude! You called me dishonest based on another man's comments. You also persist on pigeonholing me with this socialist thing. I don't like Beyonce, but I wouldn't call her socialist. And, of course, when I called you out on your bullshit, rather than actually answering me like a grown, independent man would, you're simply "duding" me.

Be as "serious" as you like, if you can't read, think, take a joke, or understand metaphor, then I see no more point to debating you than I do in having sex with a tree stump. And we all know that tree stumps are intrinsically pointless.

Because they're stumps.

Geddit?
We are obviously talking way past each other here, let's leave it at that for now. No need for us to get even more aggravated.

I really appreciate btw that you removed those links again! :)
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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by Jack McOck » Wed May 15, 2013 12:35 pm

TomViolenz wrote:
Jack McOck wrote:
TomViolenz wrote:Dude! You are right man, you ARE confused! 8O

How is talking about your "kind" (meaning right wing conservatives, who use the word "socialist" to mean EVERYTHING they don't like) in any way racist? And I have no idea where the blue eye stuff comes from.

And yes, the whole airplane stuff came from my exchange with bastien, I just used it because it underlines the issues discussed very well.
My last post was actually the first semi serious one adressed to you, to see if just maybe it is possible to talk like an adult to your kind (there I said it again). I won't be making that mistake again...
Dude! You called me dishonest based on another man's comments. You also persist on pigeonholing me with this socialist thing. I don't like Beyonce, but I wouldn't call her socialist. And, of course, when I called you out on your bullshit, rather than actually answering me like a grown, independent man would, you're simply "duding" me.

Be as "serious" as you like, if you can't read, think, take a joke, or understand metaphor, then I see no more point to debating you than I do in having sex with a tree stump. And we all know that tree stumps are intrinsically pointless.

Because they're stumps.

Geddit?
We are obviously talking way past each other here, let's leave it at that for now. No need for us to get even more aggravated.

I really appreciate btw that you removed those links again! :)
I may be a sexist-republican-racist-right wing-facist-libertarian-manly-man-dick... but I'm also fair.

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by TomViolenz » Wed May 15, 2013 12:43 pm

bastien wrote:
TomViolenz wrote:
bastien wrote:
Aye. Planes bolted together in Toulouse though.
Ah got'ya, you were talking about Airbus the French/German conglomerate providing about 50% of all passenger planes in the world.

Good example of France not being behind on technology, NOT such a good example when you talk about corporate "socialism" and waste of tax payers money though... 8O

(Not that Boeing (the other 50%) is any different in this regard though!)

Hey I'm not knocking it at all... The A380 wings are made in Bristol and believe me Bristol would be proper fucked without that money coming in. Proper fucked.

Put it another way, if we don't give our manufacturers a load of pork barrel, some other country will be giving it to theirs... And I strongly believe charity begins at home :wink:
:x
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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by TomViolenz » Wed May 15, 2013 12:45 pm

Jack McOck wrote:
TomViolenz wrote:
Jack McOck wrote: Dude! You called me dishonest based on another man's comments. You also persist on pigeonholing me with this socialist thing. I don't like Beyonce, but I wouldn't call her socialist. And, of course, when I called you out on your bullshit, rather than actually answering me like a grown, independent man would, you're simply "duding" me.

Be as "serious" as you like, if you can't read, think, take a joke, or understand metaphor, then I see no more point to debating you than I do in having sex with a tree stump. And we all know that tree stumps are intrinsically pointless.

Because they're stumps.

Geddit?
We are obviously talking way past each other here, let's leave it at that for now. No need for us to get even more aggravated.

I really appreciate btw that you removed those links again! :)
I may be a sexist-republican-racist-right wing-facist-libertarian-manly-man-dick... but I'm also fair.
Cool... 8)

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by Jack McOck » Wed May 15, 2013 12:45 pm

Socialist logic:

Big theft=bad (damn corporations!)
Little theft=bad (damn liberals!)
Medium theft=Only justice!

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by SuburbanThug » Wed May 15, 2013 4:43 pm

Jack McOck wrote:My point was, is and has always been that socialism is all about financing individuals/industries that couldn't survive on their own merits. If they could, they wouldn't need the hand out, and as they do, they don't deserve it.

It is socially neglectful to promote the unsustainable; it is morally reprehensible to encourage the undesirable; and it is financially suicidal to invest in the unsuccessful.
That's funny because where I come from socialism is treated like an incurable disease but we regularly give handouts to banks and large corporations when they are in need. In fact if a bank wants a loan from the government they get it for (much) less than 1 percent whereas if a student wants one that will be 6.3 percent, please.

Question: Is Obama a socialist? (Why am I even asking? You couldn't possibly get trolled into this one.)
Better yet: Was Hitler a socialist?
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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by Goddard » Wed May 15, 2013 5:44 pm

Jack McOck wrote:My point was, is and has always been that socialism is all about financing individuals/industries that couldn't survive on their own merits. If they could, they wouldn't need the hand out, and as they do, they don't deserve it.

It is socially neglectful to promote the unsustainable; it is morally reprehensible to encourage the undesirable; and it is financially suicidal to invest in the unsuccessful.
Absolutely. Re-establish some concentration camps and get rid of that weak majority. Burn them in crematories. Like in Auschwitz. No! It would be a huge waste. Don't let them suck your precious corporate juices - make profit of those unsuccessful bastards: MAKE BURGERS OF THEM!

Does your boyfriend screw you in your ear, because you seem to suffer of a serious brain damage?
"Machines are the weapon employed by the capitalists to quell the revolt of specialized labor" Karl Marx

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by TomViolenz » Wed May 15, 2013 11:45 pm

Goddard wrote:
Jack McOck wrote:My point was, is and has always been that socialism is all about financing individuals/industries that couldn't survive on their own merits. If they could, they wouldn't need the hand out, and as they do, they don't deserve it.

It is socially neglectful to promote the unsustainable; it is morally reprehensible to encourage the undesirable; and it is financially suicidal to invest in the unsuccessful.
Absolutely. Re-establish some concentration camps and get rid of that weak majority. Burn them in crematories. Like in Auschwitz. No! It would be a huge waste. Don't let them suck your precious corporate juices - make profit of those unsuccessful bastards: MAKE BURGERS OF THEM!

Does your boyfriend screw you in your ear, because you seem to suffer of a serious brain damage?
:wink:
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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by Jack McOck » Thu May 16, 2013 9:47 am

Goddard wrote:Does your boyfriend screw you in your ear, because you seem to suffer of a serious brain damage?
I'm sorry, I'm confused, either you think I'm a girl, or you think it's ok to call someone homosexual as an insult.

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by Jack McOck » Thu May 16, 2013 10:13 am

Now onto yours questions:

First of all, Francis, thank you, but I do not require that you explain socialism to me. I've seen BOTH the Princess Diaries movies, so I consider myself well school.

Is either Obama or Hollande socialist?
Of course not, and here's my "Is X a socialist?" checklist to prove it (Note that it took me many years of study and discussion with untermensch to compile this comprehensive list of points):


1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.
Obama: YES
Hollande: YES


2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Obama: YES
Hollande: YES


3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Obama: YES
Hollande: YES


4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Obama: YES
Hollande: YES


5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Obama: YES
Hollande: YES


6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.
Obama: YES
Hollande: YES


7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state.
Obama: YES
Hollande: YES


8. Free education for all children in government schools.
Obama: YES
Hollande: YES


9. Everybody is free and happy.
Obama: NO
Hollande: NO



So as we can see here, both Obama and Hollande FALL SHORT in terms of creating the socialist paradise that so many suffering artists and artisans dream of.

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by Jack McOck » Thu May 16, 2013 11:21 am

Marx is better understood as a naive idiot, rather than a visionary genius. What's truly remarkable about his contribution is not its foresight, but rather its mass appeal. This says quite a lot about humanity as a species, I should say. In many ways, he truly succeeded in supplanting religion.

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by Goddard » Thu May 16, 2013 11:47 am

Jack McOck wrote:it's ok to call someone homosexual as an insult
If you take it as an insult than you're not only homosexual, but also the homophobic one...

Just saying that your boyfriend should be more careful with inserting his dick in your ear next time, because he appearently has damaged your brain.

Accusing Marx of being an idiot, or even worse, of being a genius is nothing but a pure misunderstanding of his texts.

His only achievement was actually describing the capitalistic economy in detail.

Does it take an idiot or a genius to notice that shit stinks?
"Machines are the weapon employed by the capitalists to quell the revolt of specialized labor" Karl Marx

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