Funk N. Furter wrote:
The Nazis rounded up the workers leaders a. to get rid of opposition, and b. because it was what they promised to do on behalf of the capitalists, so they could pay the workers less etc. and c. because they hated socialists even more then they hated Jews. It was fuck all to do with the sectarian tensions in Northern Ireland.
And what relevance does any of this have to do with the point at hand? You claimed that the Nazis and Communists had to be polar opposites owing purely to the fact that they fought each other tooth and nail. I provided a couple of counterexamples that refute this point (and suggest that the strongest rivalries exist between ideological
siblings, not opposites), and now you scramble around desperately trying to change the subject in order to avoiding admitting that you were wrong. Wassup wif dat, foo'?
Well, the Mensheviks tried to sabotage the Bolsheviks plans, fought against them, and tried to sabotage the peace deal with Germany, as far as I know. They were not banned until 1921. It was their sabotage which caused any retaliation. Even in 1921 they were allowed to organise demonstrations at Plekhanov's funeral. The Mensheviks welcomed British troops on Russian soil. The British of course wanted to help overthrow the Bolsheviks. In fact the Mensheviks were in talks with the British very early on.
Again, irrelevant. So what?
Look, I don't really 'do' ridiculous debates like the one you're trying to engage me in. It's like debating whether Santa Claus exists. The 25 point program was written in Feb 1920, 13 years before the Nazis took power and one year after a failed revolution.
So what?
At the time the NSDAP party was tiny. Hitler had just helped crush the 1919 revolution by acting as a snitch. Wikipedia says that in Mein Kampf Hitler calls it the “the so-called program of the movement”. You can read it free online so feel free.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zQ9bu0ASZI
"The historian Henry A. Turner proposes that many of the Program’s policies for economic reform, pro-labour legislation, and popular democratic politics, contradicted Adolf Hitler’s basis of his dictatorial ambition. That the land reform and anti-trust legislation especially threatened the financial interests of the businessmen whom Hitler courted for political campaign money.[9] Because he could not safely discard the National Socialist Program of the Nazi Party — without provoking voter mutinies — Adolf Hitler, by force of personality, definitively closed all such ideologic discussion.[10]"
"Coulda, woulda, shoulda." Way to duck the question, nitwit. I ask again: how many of the 25 planks of the NSDAP platform could legitimately be described as right-wing?
As I said in 1927 he wrote to industrialists telling them not to worry. After Hitler took power in 1933 the Nazis finished off the socialists, putting them in concentration camps or killing them. Big business loved it, and American investment poured in to Nazi Germany. General Motors, IBM, Ford, Standard Oil and loads of other companies helped Hitler build his war machine.
Oh, not this tedious argument again. Didn't Jack McOck already set you straight on this? For the umpteenth time, corporatism != laissez-faire capitalism and as such, the two should never be conflated. Not that I'd expect anything less from someone who lumps both Misean libertarianism and Hilter's National Socialism together on the same end of the political spectrum, mind you.
