Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

[Jack McOck]

Do you believe that the initiation or threat of force is immoral?

Wow. Basing your whole argument on a loaded question? That's dumb.

If by "loaded" you mean "devastating to the socialist position", then I would have thought it rather clever of that person who is not one of my persons.

Then again, funky monkey has already stated that he does indeed want to nationalize the top 200 companies in the UK, so his views on the initiation of force are quite clear. What he fails to realize is that the vast majority of the British people, myself included, have got absolutely no desire whatsoever to have his tepid, gelatinous love-juice trickle down into our stomachs.

[Jack McOck]

He's actually trying to argue that U.S. initiation of force against Nazi Germany was immoral. Farcical.

I like how when you can't argue against someone's points, you make up other points and argue against those instead. It's like that time when you said we should, like, just kill all the American Indians, or Eskimos, or whatever, but you were so drunk, so know one thought you'd actually, like, do it, but then you took out your blade and started slicing into your, like, noodle, and flicking bits at people, and fuck did THAT shit get weird.

Anyway, you're a fucking racist and you beat women.

[SuburbanThug]

Do you believe that the initiation or threat of force is immoral?

Wow. Basing your whole argument on a loaded question? That's dumb.

If by "loaded" you mean "devastating to the socialist position", then I would have thought it rather clever of that person who is not one of my persons.

By "loaded" I mean a fallacy of many questions. Bean Machine poses the question as if it has been accepted by all that initiation of force is in itself immoral.

[Jack McOck]

By "loaded" I mean a fallacy of many questions. Bean Machine poses the question as if it has been accepted by all that initiation of force is in itself immoral.

Feeling guilty, are we?

[SuburbanThug]

Trolling right along, are we?

[Jack McOck]

Trolling right along, are we?

No, I troll other websites. I'm always sincere on this one.

[SuburbanThug]

Link or it didn't happen.

[stringtapper]

Bean Machine poses the question as if it has been accepted by all that initiation of force is in itself immoral.

I'm not on either side of this "debate," but I have to say I don't see how you get what you just said from this:

Do you believe that the initiation or threat of force is immoral?

[SuburbanThug]

Keyser Söze?

[stringtapper]

Right. So basically all of you assholes filling up the last few pages are right/left-wing ideologues who just want to make it look like you're participating in a cogent debate about the topic but are really just pulling your puds in each respective side's own ideological cheer leading circle jerk. Thanks for clarifying.

[SuburbanThug]

If you had read the last few pages you would understand that Bean Machine is trolling Funken into admitting that implementation of socialism would require initiation of force which is seen by many right wing libertarians as a moral failure on the part of states.

[stringtapper]

If you had read the last few pages you would understand that Bean Machine is trolling Funken into admitting that implementation of socialism would require initiation of force which is seen by many right wing libertarians as a moral failure on the part of states.

That's your unflinching left-wing perspective. His and McOck's own similarly rigid right-wing perspectives lead them to similar intellectual dishonesty. This is why humans are fucked. If people are so ideologically entrenched that they see nothing but the absurd in the viewpoints of those they disagree with then honest debate is never reached, let alone understanding or, god forbid, compromise.

[SuburbanThug]

Sorry, no. That's your slant.

Initiation of Force

Non-Aggression Principle

"NAP is the foundation of most present-day libertarian philosophies.[3][4][5]"

Thanks for chiming in though.

[stringtapper]

Sorry, no. That's your slant.

Right, of course. We couldn't actually, like, discuss it or anything. Dismissal is much easier and makes our posts look cooler.

[SuburbanThug]

I kindly linked you to sources explaining why your interpretation is incorrect. Do you expect me to read them to you and review the material with you so that we're both sure that you understand?