Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

[SuburbanThug]

Care to elaborate?

[stringtapper]

Care to elaborate?

Fitting rejoinder.

[Machinesworking]

Oddly enough stringtapper I've been taking music theory classes, so at some point I may ask you some questions randomly in a fully dysfunctional thread like this.

The odd part is I thought at first I was going to hold the class back as the only other students are 70 year old ladies, flutist and viola, and I hadn't looked at a staff since 7th grade really. All that stuff is still in there though, and as soon as we hit chords and the like this fear was gone. The ladies are slowing it down right before where it starts to get interesting, modes etc.

[myrnova]

Professor Sturmnihilistrupper aka "pearlsbeforeswine" only discusses "advanced Neo-Riemannian transformational voice-leading analysis of extended chromatic harmony". Otherwise: "salsa", "mario", "pornogore" and "strutting like a rooster in a lounge"

[rote fahne]

Professor Sturmnihilistrupper aka "pearlsbeforeswine" only discusses "advanced Neo-Riemannian transformational voice-leading analysis of extended chromatic harmony". Otherwise: "salsa", "mario", "pornogore" and "strutting like a rooster in a lounge"

In the context of this thread I would ask: Does Neo-Riemannian theorie makes sense in a free kapitalistic system? What kind of profits we could make with this theory?

Just some thoughts.

Btw. interesting.

[rote fahne]

Oh Cocky, Cocky Cocky. Bravo for digging up that. Of course you have not read the full piece, much less understood it. It is of course part of a polemic against Bruno Bauer. It is difficult to understand unless you know the whole context, not just in this article, but the whole argument with Bauer. This polemic is rammed chocca full of sarcasm.

Bruno Bauer the one that pointed out Josef ben Matitjahu (aka Flavius Josephus, aka Saul of Tarsus, aka Paul of the Acts) to be the chief editor of the New Testament.

But thats a different discussion.

[rote fahne]

The only reason Italy never really colonized was that they really sucked at building ships and a Navy. That really prevented them from realizing their dreams of World Domination.

Well, I mean, there was that Roman Empire thing but that doesn't count really. Best forgotten, that.

Cristoforo Colombo being born in Genua, Italy, then the compass was invented in Amalfi, Italy, I would say no, there must have been another reason.

About the Roman Empire, US is still fighting their wars.

For your info.

[rote fahne]

Of course central planned economies dont work. I was in Tsjecho-Slowakia in 1980 and I have seen with my own eyes.

In such a system you could quote a company to produce 1000 gallons of salsa, then 800 will be spoilt with rotten tomatoes, a 100 will go to the datsja, and the other 100 will arrive in the supermarket, but without the red pepper in it.

[rote fahne]

Oh Cocky, Cocky Cocky. Bravo for digging up that. Of course you have not read the full piece, much less understood it. It is of course part of a polemic against Bruno Bauer. It is difficult to understand unless you know the whole context, not just in this article, but the whole argument with Bauer. This polemic is rammed chocca full of sarcasm.

Bruno Bauer the one that pointed out Josef ben Matitjahu (aka Flavius Josephus, aka Saul of Tarsus, aka Paul of the Acts) to be the chief editor of the New Testament.

But thats a different discussion.

Well Cocky's given up trying to prove that Marx, a Jew, was antisemitic, so we could do the New Testament while we're here.

I never read the bible, but I did read the book by Francesco Carotta. That is, I'm still in the middle of it.

You must first understand that the Gospel of Mark is based on the story of Julius Ceasar. Its not written by Mark, Mark was the principal, Mark Anthony in this case.

In the Gospel of John there is also the story of the young Jesus, that is based on the early live of Octavianus, he's the principal here.

When Ceasar got stabbed in the theater of Pompejus, immedialy after the cult of Divus Iulius was born, Mark Anthony being the initiator.

Eventually the story of the deified Ceasar arrived in what we call Israel today, where Ceasar veterans had settled.

There the story of Ceasar was transferred into the Jesus story. The Mark Gospel must be seen as a roman a clef based on the Ceasar story. Written by Fl.Josephus under supervision of

Vespasianus. Fl. Josephus bounced the Ceasar story, so it went back to Europe, but this time Ceasar had become a poor Jew on a donkey. (Assinius Pollio ) etc. etc.

When I say etc. etc. I mean there has been centuries of interpolations, translation and copying errors, before it resulted in the incomprehensible gibberish we have to deal with today.

I'm only a layman here, for further questions see http://www.carotta.de/. He's a very friendly guy, I sent him some mails with questions, he all answered.

edit: heres the youtube with the documentary about Carotta's research. Worth watching i think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvga-98x6Nk

[Jack McOck]

Well Cocky's given up trying to prove that Marx, a Jew, was antisemitic, so we could do the New Testament while we're here.

I've been busy doing non-handicapped shit.

[rote fahne]

Of course central planned economies dont work. I was in Tsjecho-Slowakia in 1980 and I have seen with my own eyes.

In such a system you could quote a company to produce 1000 gallons of salsa, then 800 will be spoilt with rotten tomatoes, a 100 will go to the datsja, and the other 100 will arrive in the supermarket, but without the red pepper in it.

But it was not a socialist planned economy. A planned economy run by a dictatorship would never work for long.

But Russia's economy did grow faster than America's for many years even with the handicap of the Stalinist dictatorship.

Years ago I read a book, its called "Moscow Petushki", by Venedikt Yerofeyev. Its a samizdat novel.

In this book he had Lenin say:

The underclass was capable but unwilling, the upperclass willing but incapable.

I dont see exacly what you mean by a socialist planned economy, but I fear you will encounter the same issues.

[SuburbanThug]

I've been busy doing non-handicapped shit.

Trolling loses it's luster pretty quick, huh?

[Jack McOck]

I've been busy doing non-handicapped shit.

Trolling loses it's luster pretty quick, huh?

I've been at this longer than you know.

[rote fahne]

I am a handicapped too. Surgery went wrong. If I had had the money and lived in the US probably surgery would have gone right. If I had lived in the US without money, well...

There's nothing funny about being handicapped. I'd rather be healthy and have a job. Cause I live in a wellfare state I have plenty of time and sufficient of money to survive.

Thats the good side.

[rote fahne]

Socialist planning needs far more democracy than has ever been seen, not less, as per Stalinist Russia. In that regime you had a bureaucracy in charge. It was never gonna work long term. It's a bit of a big subject to get into. Lenin warned against bureaucratism, so did Trotsky. The bureaucrats were inherited from the Tsar's regime. They took over the Bolshevik Party from within, ie by joining it en masse. Stalin was their ally. Lenin could not implement a socialist democracy overnight, because that would be impossible in a backward country in a civil war. Pure wishful thinking. To succeed he knew it would take the aid of advanced countries.

Trotsky: “One nation conquers another” continued Lenin at the same congress, the last in which he participated ... “this is simple and intelligible to all. But what happens to the culture of these nations? Here things are not so simple. If the conquering nation is more cultured than the vanquished nation, the former imposes its culture on the latter, but if the opposite is the case, the vanquished nation imposes its culture on the conqueror. Has not something like this happened in the capital of the RSFSR? Have the 4700 Communists (nearly a whole army division, and all of them the very best) come under the influence of an alien culture?”. This was said in 1922, and not for the first time. History is not made by a few people, even “the best”; and not only that: these “best” can degenerate in the spirit of an alien, that is, a bourgeois culture. Not only can the Soviet state abandon the way of socialism, but the Bolshevik party can, under unfavourable historic conditions, lose its Bolshevism."

Nice Trotsky quote, but I'm still waiting for my tomatoes.

How can you in your system guarantee that the tomatoes will arrive at the factory in time?

Thats my question.