Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by H20nly » Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:51 am

Funk N. Furter wrote:
planning needs far more democracy than has ever been seen
Interesting notion.
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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by rote fahne » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:12 pm

Funk N. Furter wrote:
rote fahne wrote:
Nice Trotsky quote, but I'm still waiting for my tomatoes.

How can you in your system guarantee that the tomatoes will arrive at the factory in time?

Thats my question.
The decision to ship the tomatoes will be made by people who are on the farm. They can see the tomatoes are ripe. Your problem was that they were spoiled because they were shipped too late. They are ready when mother nature allows them to be.
No, tomatoes are shipped before they are ripe, basic knowledge (remember, the upperclass was incapable). Then it isnt MY problem that they get rotten, it is their problem, or "our" problem in your socialist paradigm. Main reason things go wrong.

The tomatoes didnt go rotten by shipping them too late, they got rotten in the central warehouse, they got rotten because nobody gave a shit whether they got rotten or not, cause their income was guaranteed anyways, so why not better drink wodka and play cards.

So again, what is your solution for logistical problems in your socialist system?

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by rote fahne » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:17 pm

Funk N. Furter wrote:But Russia's economy did grow faster than America's for many years even with the handicap of the Stalinist dictatorship.
Economies with lower level of production usually have faster growing rates once they get awake.

Concept of diminishing returns.

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by LoopStationZebra » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:38 pm

rote fahne wrote:I am a handicapped too. Surgery went wrong. If I had had the money and lived in the US probably surgery would have gone right. If I had lived in the US without money, well...

The outcome would have been the same as what happened to you in your precious welfare state?

:lol:

So..basically..at least in the US if you've got some cash shit can turn out better.

If you live in a welfare state and have cash...you fly to the US for surgery at Johns Hopkins.

omfg.


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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by SuburbanThug » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:49 pm

Less talky, more Shatman stick.

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by rote fahne » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:49 pm

LoopStationZebra wrote:
rote fahne wrote:I am a handicapped too. Surgery went wrong. If I had had the money and lived in the US probably surgery would have gone right. If I had lived in the US without money, well...

The outcome would have been the same as what happened to you in your precious welfare state?

:lol:

So..basically..at least in the US if you've got some cash shit can turn out better.

If you live in a welfare state and have cash...you fly to the US for surgery at Johns Hopkins.

omfg.


:lol:
The outcome would be that I would have been left with a huge bill that had made me bankrupt for the rest of my life.

Its even more perfide: I once met a director of a company that went through the same surgery as me, they helped him within 2 weeks and he was fine, to help me it took 3 years.

But the doctors will never admit.

Not that I would like to live in the US, I like my country, its better than yours.

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by rote fahne » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:50 pm

SuburbanThug wrote:Less talky, more Shatman stick.
Endless loops of the same shat.

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by stringtapper » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:05 pm

SuburbanThug wrote:Less talky, more Shatman stick.
Bite your tongue blasphemer. He's not the only Stickist around here.

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by SuburbanThug » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:37 pm

stringtapper wrote:
SuburbanThug wrote:Less talky, more Shatman stick.
Bite your tongue blasphemer. He's not the only Stickist around here.

:x
Once you post a link to a photo of yourself or to your own music I'll believe you.

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by stringtapper » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:47 pm

SuburbanThug wrote:
stringtapper wrote:
SuburbanThug wrote:Less talky, more Shatman stick.
Bite your tongue blasphemer. He's not the only Stickist around here.

:x
Once you post a link to a photo of yourself or to your own music I'll believe you.

You can find me in here. In the H's.

http://www.stick.com/artists/playersgallery/


8-string Stick Bass tuned in 4ths on all this old stuff.

http://www.reverbnation.com/hombru


Why this kind of "cred" matters to you pop-obsessed internet folk I'll never get.
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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by stringtapper » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:55 pm

In the studio recording some of the previously linked stuff.

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A Stick seminiar around 2000 with Greg Howard.

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In home studio with 12-string Grand

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Ex-wife's cat and 10string Purple Heart.

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12-string Grand through a Kinect camera.

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Promo pic with 12-string.

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At home with 12-string.

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8-string Stick Bass used to record old HomBru stuff.

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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by SuburbanThug » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:58 pm

Jeez, one pic would have been enough. That is way too much Shatman stick for me. Pop-obcessed? Okay, I am trying to quit drinking diet Coke but I don't see what that has to do with anything.

I'm loving Heartstrings though.
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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by stringtapper » Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:03 pm

I figured overdo it just to be safe since it's obvious sound and pictures MUST accompany anything said on the internet for it to believed. Should I scan my MM in Music Theory for you too?

Matt's a good guy and a good player (guy on the left). Apparently they do well for themselves with the wedding gigs.
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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by rote fahne » Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:08 pm

Funk N. Furter wrote:
rote fahne wrote:
The tomatoes didnt go rotten by shipping them too late, they got rotten in the central warehouse, they got rotten because nobody gave a shit whether they got rotten or not, cause their income was guaranteed anyways, so why not better drink wodka and play cards.

So again, what is your solution for logistical problems in your socialist system?
When do you think this happened? ie what decades? Do you have any evidence that this was a common problem?

As I said, democracy is required. I don't just mean ticking a box every 5 years, I mean the workers running the economy. Nobody would be allowed to drink vodka and play cards while food rotted in a warehouse. The people would not stand for it. I doubt the Russian bureaucracy tolerated it either. I'm sure the Bolsheviks would not have.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultur ... viet_Union

As I've said, I was in Prague in 1980, twice in East Berlin (1985/1987) and twice in Budapest (1986/1987). Really, there was no decent fresh food available. Even when we went to fancy restaurants that were only for western europeans, you had to pay with hard valuta there, most of the items on the menu were simply not available.

I'm not talking about the twenties and thirties, it must have been even much worse. I'm talking about the 80's, when Russia already had nucleair bombs and satelites for decades.

I know that somewhere in their postwar history they started to allow citizens to produce food for themselves, which must have solved many of the issues they had.

And of course it are the workers that eventually run the economy, thats why incentives for individual workers make the difference.

Or as Halbe Zijlstra has put it: Our companies must make profit, otherwise we cannot tax them.

You'll end up in some form of government controlled kapitalism anyways.

edit: got myself in a nostalgia trip, yep 1980, I was 15 and there was this blond girl that had a cassette with the cures a forest, which was played in the bus. It was a school educational trip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QxR_qacqog
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Re: Socialism will save us all (technology edition)

Post by SuburbanThug » Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:12 pm

stringtapper wrote:I figured overdo it just to be safe since it's obvious sound and pictures MUST accompany anything said on the internet for it to believed. Should I scan my MM in Music Theory for you too?

Matt's a good guy and a good player (guy on the left). Apparently they do well for themselves with the wedding gigs.
You must understand that it's hard to believe there are two stickists with right wing politics regularly posting on the Ableton forum...

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