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The Amen Break and Golden Proportion

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:18 pm
by jbodango
Interesting essay on one possible reason why the Amen Break is so popular...

http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/ ... %20GR.html
I've turned the Amen Beat's waves vertically and put them next to the levels of the human body. It seems to me that the popularity of the Amen Break must have something to do with this appearance of the Golden Ratio in its timing structure.
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Re: The Amen Break and Golden Proportion

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:04 pm
by aisling
thanks for posting this, I love this stuff....

Re: The Amen Break and Golden Proportion

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:10 pm
by Angstrom
Bullshit

He's talking nonsense. First up "The "Amen Break" is 5.20 seconds long in four bars", well, if you want to include the horn strike at the start it is, but OK, four bars then. OK, Lets work with the full 4 bar sample ...

Lets take a look at the image he uses, and compare to the actual Amen Break

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HUH :?:
These don't seem to match up at all. What is this?
What I first noticed in the wave picture are the distinct peaks representing the beat. I considered the biggest peaks near each end as the limits of a whole.
Weird, but OK if that's how you want to determine a bar, rather than .. y'know, via the bar length. But lets go with his weird system.

To a musician what he calls "the biggest peaks near each end" , is what we know as "the snare" His start marker is actually the first snare in the bar Boom Boom Chick, his end is even more weirdly the second to last beat. Making a loop length in bar terms NOT of 1.0.0 but instead provides a loop duration of 1.1.2 . A bar, a quarter and an eighth. Now his maths and arbitrary divisions start to make sense.

What he doesn't mention is that when he was trying desperately to get his pet fetish to match up , the only place it seemed to work was from start:3.2.0 to end :4.4.3

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This is nonsense, unless you consider that this dude will go to any lengths to prove a cosmic connection to his pet stoner theory.

Re: The Amen Break and Golden Proportion

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:19 pm
by knotkranky
^ +1

Beats naturally subdivide mathematically. It's why its a beat.

Re: The Amen Break and Golden Proportion

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:26 pm
by Angstrom
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Re: The Amen Break and Golden Proportion

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:28 am
by Komodovaran
knotkranky wrote:^ +1

Beats naturally subdivide mathematically. It's why its a beat.
Are you telling me that beats can be divided as 1, 2, 4, 8 and 16th? Get outta here! :P

Re: The Amen Break and Golden Proportion

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:07 am
by jbodango
Komodovaran wrote:
knotkranky wrote:^ +1

Beats naturally subdivide mathematically. It's why its a beat.
Are you telling me that beats can be divided as 1, 2, 4, 8 and 16th? Get outta here! :P


This is awesome on all levels. Thank you.

Re: The Amen Break and Golden Proportion

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:11 am
by H20nly
it's good to have learned something here today.

Re: The Amen Break and Golden Proportion

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:58 am
by lowshelf
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Re: The Amen Break and Golden Proportion

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:51 pm
by Angstrom
The above mystical confluence is explained in this short clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPWnitDyIOw

Re: The Amen Break and Golden Proportion

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:19 pm
by Mint Invader
jbodango wrote:
Komodovaran wrote:
knotkranky wrote:^ +1

Beats naturally subdivide mathematically. It's why its a beat.
Are you telling me that beats can be divided as 1, 2, 4, 8 and 16th? Get outta here! :P


This is awesome on all levels. Thank you.
1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16384, 32768, 65536, 131072, 262144, 524288. But hey who is counting.