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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by beats me » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:22 pm

Bagatell wrote:
beats me wrote:The country has been duped and continues to be duped.
That video I posted earlier explains how we have been duped, if not why.

Right but we’ve been duped so many times that now the court of public opinion has swung to the opposite extreme. Whenever there’s any conflict in the world that the US either may or does react to militarily its now assumed the situation is either completely fabricated by the US or instigated by the US.

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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by H20nly » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:33 pm

Heyyy... the important thing to remember here...


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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by myrnova » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:37 pm

beats me wrote:Whenever there’s any conflict in the world that the US either may or does react to militarily its now assumed the situation is either completely fabricated by the US or instigated by the US.
"assumed" :roll:

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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by Bagatell » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:50 pm

beats me wrote: Whenever there’s any conflict in the world that the US either may or does react to militarily its now assumed the situation is either completely fabricated by the US or instigated by the US.
Only by those who haven't seen the bigger picture yet. This time round even the most myopic will have a hard time seperating the US and the other NATO bandits.

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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by andydes » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:41 pm

beats me wrote: Whenever there’s any conflict in the world that the US either may or does react to militarily its now assumed the situation is either completely fabricated by the US or instigated by the US.
200 years from now, the US military industrial complex intents time travel. Nato is responsible for every conflict in the world. Ever.

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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by beats me » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:49 pm

Anybody who thinks the US has a monopoly on conflict or evil is delusional, but it really simplifies your argument. Can’t fault you for keeping things simple.

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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by Bagatell » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:24 pm

beats me wrote:Anybody who thinks the US has a monopoly on conflict or evil is delusional,
Yes indeed. So don't jump to conclusions after watching this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... M_FElma6Cw

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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by Forge. » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:30 pm

beats me wrote:[ Whenever there’s any conflict in the world that the US either may or does react to militarily its now assumed the situation is either completely fabricated by the US or instigated by the US.
this isn't about US, UK or any other country... the majorty of the people of the US seem to be saying they don't want anything to do with this. The UK government is constantly telling the people they can't afford any single fucking benefit that helps any body, yet they are even more keen to go and spend millions on Bombing Syria.

This isn't about countries, it's about the immoral psychopaths running them

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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by H20nly » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:48 pm

Forge. wrote:This isn't about countries, it's about the immoral psychopaths running them
thank you.

it would seem so obvious, but based on the language and the posturing-with-words citizens get clumped into the mix.



i'm pretty sure i can speak for me and beats me when i say all we want is world peace, booze, and pussy...

i'd even take them in that order if i didn't think the first one was cock blocking.

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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by Bagatell » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:54 pm

Forge. wrote:This isn't about countries, it's about the immoral psychopaths running them
I'm looking forward to them giving us a rousing chorus of "The Nuremberg Excuse" :mrgreen:

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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by Forge. » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:07 pm

it's what is most depressing about the whole thing. Just having to watch on in despair as a small group of despicable people spend the nation's wealth murdering people and not being able to do a damn thing about it.

The cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined could elminate hunger completely for over 300 years - that's not an exaggeration, that's an actual fact based on UN figures. For the UK government right now to be even thinking about getting involved in this after all this Austeriy bullshit is beyond reprehensible.

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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by Bagatell » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:22 pm

H20nly wrote:i'm pretty sure i can speak for me and beats me when i say all we want is world peace, booze, and pussy...
The House Speaker agrees with you :mrgreen:

Boehner Sends Obama Letter Demanding "Clear, Unambiguous Explanation" For Syrian Intervention

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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by beats me » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:31 pm

Bagatell wrote:
beats me wrote:Anybody who thinks the US has a monopoly on conflict or evil is delusional,
Yes indeed. So don't jump to conclusions after watching this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... M_FElma6Cw
I like the bit about "these clearly aren't members of the Syrian military".

And Clark Kent can't be Superman because Clark Kent wears glasses and Superman doesn't.

Dressing casually while committing crimes against humanity is a physical impossibility. Can't be done!

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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by Bagatell » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:41 pm

beats me wrote:Dressing casually while committing crimes against humanity is a physical impossibility. Can't be done!
The POTUS doesn't seem to have any trouble doing it.

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Re: You all need to pony up for carnagefest

Post by beats me » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:06 am

Bashar al-Assad makes a statement.

So, What’s It Going To Be?

Well, here we are. It’s been two years of fighting, over 100,000 people are dead, there are no signs of this war ending, and a week ago I used chemical weapons on my own people. If you don’t do anything about it, thousands of Syrians are going to die. If you do something about it, thousands of Syrians are going to die. Morally speaking, you’re on the hook for those deaths no matter how you look at it.

So, it’s your move, America. What’s it going to be?

I’ve looked at your options, and I’m going to be honest here, I feel for you. Not exactly an embarrassment of riches you’ve got to choose from, strategy-wise. I mean, my God, there are just so many variables to consider, so many possible paths to choose, each fraught with incredible peril, and each leading back to the very real, very likely possibility that no matter what you do it’s going to backfire in a big, big way. It’s a good old-fashioned mess, is what this is! And now, you have to make some sort of decision that you can live with.

So, where do I begin? Well, this is just the tip of the iceberg, but let’s start with the fact that my alliance with Russia and China means that nothing you decide to do will have the official support of the UN Security Council. So, right off the bat, I’ve already eliminated the possibility of a legally sound united coalition like in Libya or the First Gulf War. Boom. Gone. Off the table.

Now, let’s say you’re okay with that, and you decide to go ahead with, oh, I don’t know, a bombing campaign. Now, personally, I can see how that might seem like an attractive option for you. No boots on the ground, it sends a clear message, you could cripple some of my government’s infrastructure, and it’s a quick, clean, easy way to punish me and make you look strong in the face of my unimaginable tyranny. But let’s get real here. Any bombing campaign capable of being truly devastating to my regime would also end up killing a ton of innocent civilians, as such things always do, which I imagine is the kind of outcome you people would feel very guilty about. You know, seeing as you are so up in arms to begin with about innocent Syrians dying. Plus, you’d stoke a lot of anti-American hatred and quite possibly create a whole new generation of Syrian-born jihadists ready to punish the United States for its reckless warmongering and yadda yadda yadda.

Okay, what else? Well, you could play small-ball and hope that limited airstrikes to a few of my key military installations will send me the message to refrain from using chemical weapons again, but, c’mon, check me out: I’m ruthless, I’m desperate, and I’m going to do everything I can to stay in power. I’d use chemical weapons again in a heartbeat. You know that. And I know you know that. Hell, I want to help you guys out here, but you gotta be realistic. Trust me, I am incapable of being taught a lesson at this point. Got it? I am too far gone. Way too far gone.

Oh, and I know some of you think a no-fly zone will do the trick, but we both know you can’t stomach the estimated $1 billion a month that would cost, so wave bye-bye to that one, too.

Moving on.

I suppose you could always, you know, not respond with military force at all. But how can you do that? I pumped sarin gas into the lungs of my own people, for God’s sake! You can’t just let me get away with that, can you? I mean, I guess you easily could, and spare yourself all of this headache, but then you would probably lose any of your remaining moral high ground on the world stage and make everything from the Geneva Conventions to America’s reputation as a beacon for freedom and democracy around the world look like a complete sham.

And, hey, as long as we’re just throwing stuff out there, let’s consider a ground invasion for a moment. Now, even if you could reasonably fund a ground invasion, which I’m pretty sure you can’t, what exactly would such an invasion accomplish in the long term? I suppose it’s possible that you could come in and sweep me out the door and that would be the end of it. It’s possible. You know, like, in the sense that seeing a majestic white Bengal tiger in the wild is possible. Or, more likely, you could find yourself entrenched in a full-blown civil war that drags on for 15 years and sets off further turmoil in the rest of the region, leading to even more dead bodies for your country and mine, and even more virulent hatred of America. In fact, boy, maybe this is the one option that should be totally off the table.

Oh, and speaking of me being toppled from power, let’s say, just for fun, that tomorrow I were to somehow be dethroned. Who’s in charge? Half of these rebel groups refuse to work with one another and it’s getting harder to tell which ones are actually just Islamic extremists looking to fill a potential power vacuum. We’ve got Christians, Sunnis, and Shias all poised to fight one another for control should I fall. You want to be the ones sorting through that mess when you’re trying to build a new government? I didn’t think so.

So, all in all, quite the pickle you’re in, isn’t it? I have to say, I do not envy you here. Really curious to see where you go with this one.

I’ll leave you with this: I am insane. Not insane enough to generate worldwide unanimity that I cannot remain in charge of my own country. That would make this a lot easier. No, unfortunately, I’m just sane and stable enough to remain in power and devise cunning military and political strategies while at the same time adhering to a standard of morality that only the most perverse and sociopathic among us would be capable of adopting. But nevertheless, I am insane, so do with that information what you will.

Long story short, I’m going to keep doing my best to hold on to my country no matter what the cost. If that means bombing entire towns, murdering small children, or shooting at UN weapons inspectors, so be it. I’m in this for the long haul. And you will do...whatever it is you’re going to do, which is totally up to you. Your call.

Anyway, let me know what you decide. I’ll be waiting.
Bravo, Onion, bravo.

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