who is actually going to fall for obama care

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by Galt » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:45 am

Funk N. Furter wrote:You know you're starting to talk sense when you've rattled Trollt.
Huh. I never pegged you as a supporter of the Democrates. After all, Obama is certainly not a socialist, now is he? :roll:

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by Galt » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:31 am

So... "talking sense"?

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by beats me » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:31 am

Funk N. Furter wrote:
beats me wrote: That's all been true for a long time, but now I think it also gets amplified between people freaking out over a black president (still) and the word socialism (We are talking about Hitler, right?) being tossed out all over the place. I don't remember the term socialism being used at all until Obama got elected. Previously the only time I heard socialism mentioned was in reference to Hitler. Gee, I wonder why so many Americans only make that connection now. :x
Beats, I am a socialist, have been for 30 years. I am quite horrified that you think that Hitler was a socialist! The exact opposite is the case. Hitler hated socialists as much as he hated Jews. In fact he rounded up the socialist leaders and put them in concentration camps as soon as he got into power in the spring of 1933. He only managed to 'win' the election because he stopped the socialists from campaigning by various methods such as violence.


You don't need to convince me. You need to clone a few million of yourself and air drop yourselves into the southern states of the US where they believe this is true.


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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by Galt » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:57 pm

Funk N. Furter wrote:Leon Trotsky
What Is National Socialism?
(June 1933)

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky ... 330610.htm

"The date of the new European catastrophe will be determined by the time necessary for the arming of Germany. It is not a question of months, but neither is it a question of decades. It will be but a few years before Europe is again plunged into a war, unless Hitler is forestalled in time by the inner forces of Germany."
Why did you post this? What relevance has this to anything else on this page?

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by Galt » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:02 pm

Beatrix Potter
The Tale of Peter the Rabbit
(October 1902)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_Peter_Rabbit

“Peter lost one of his shoes among the cabbages, and the other shoe amongst the potatoes.”

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by beats me » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:48 pm

Funk N. Furter wrote:National Socialism is the opposite of socialism though. It means fascism, obviously, and it is an oxymoron Hitler used and later regretted. He included the word socialism to try to win some workers but his real enemy was socialism. Socialism was the main political force in Germany officially, although the main party (SPD) had reformist leaders since 1919 and earlier. Hitler wanted to change the meaning of the word socialism and use it as it's opposite to undermine socialism and the workers' movement.


I think it’s safe to say (at least in America) that the damage is already done and most people aren’t going to question Hitler being a socialist.

I also find it kind of interesting that whenever a political ideology fails, that moment in history becomes the definitive poster child for it. “And that’s why ……ism doesn’t work.” When capitalism in the US collapses under the weight of its own greediness it will become the historic definition of capitalism.

But I also admit that as an American we are taught that anything other than what we have is SHIT and there’s a specific evil mastermind as proof.

I also think the use of Hitler in reference to Obama is a total abuse of free speech. Let’s say there was a world famous baby molester who spent a lot of his days sticking his junk in newborns. Would it be acceptable using his picture for political purposes with the tag line “His polices will fuck your children’s future!” I highly doubt that would be acceptable, but Hitler is totally cool?

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by Galt » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:54 pm

beats me wrote:the use of Hitler in reference to Obama is a total abuse of free speech
Oh goodie. Another user who doesn't understand the concept of rights.

#bydefinitionrightscantbeabusedyoudosscunt

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by beats me » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:23 pm

Galt wrote:
beats me wrote:the use of Hitler in reference to Obama is a total abuse of free speech
Oh goodie. Another user who doesn't understand the concept of rights.

#bydefinitionrightscantbeabusedyoudosscunt
Well thank God you are on here to straighten me out on the concept of rights and how by definition they can never ever be abused.

I hope you're a police defense lawyer. You can save us a lot of court costs with your “Rights can’t be abused. It's not possible!” ironclad case ending defense.

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by H20nly » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:40 pm

Galt wrote:
H20nly wrote:^ what's even weirder is when poor working class people (probably the same ones you're talking about) are die hards that vote Republican without question. always blows my fucking mind. 8O <- me.

why would you vote to make your off site boss rich off your back?? i'm not saying that voting Dem is better, but at least there's typically a little more to their agenda than just stifling and exploiting.
This is a little more condescending than we're used to from you... Aside from the fact that it's grossly inaccurate, you're also suggesting that you know what's best for the poor working class better than they do. This is not the H2Only I know and love.

#frownyface
i have no idea what's best... i am however... suggesting what is worse.

Q: How do we get more apples?
A: Dunno, but let's throw the ones we have off the truck

or...

Q: How do we get more apples?
A: Dunno, but let's give the ones we have to the Apple company's owner

:?

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by H20nly » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:07 pm

:x can someone please post that image again ^

it gets funnier every. single. time. i see it.


[/intergalactic level of sarcasm]

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by H20nly » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:43 pm

it's great! thanks for asking.

of course, i pay too much for health "care" but since there has been little choice in the matter for my entire adult life i have become desensitized to it.

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by Galt » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:46 pm

Funk N. Furter wrote:
Galt wrote:
Funk N. Furter wrote:Leon Trotsky
What Is National Socialism?
(June 1933)

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky ... 330610.htm

"The date of the new European catastrophe will be determined by the time necessary for the arming of Germany. It is not a question of months, but neither is it a question of decades. It will be but a few years before Europe is again plunged into a war, unless Hitler is forestalled in time by the inner forces of Germany."
Why did you post this? What relevance has this to anything else on this page?
I was explaining what National Socialism is to Beats. This is a good short article called What Is National Socialism? You don't see the connection? Compare what I've highlighted in red.
Yes, the text you quoted is from an article on national socialism, but the text itself is 100% relevance free, as is H2Only's wife for that matter. How's your special girl by the way? :roll:

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by H20nly » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:49 pm

oh snap. he said wife.

why did i read that as life?

:lol: @ funken

yer so funny

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by Galt » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:53 pm

beats me wrote:
Galt wrote:
beats me wrote:the use of Hitler in reference to Obama is a total abuse of free speech
Oh goodie. Another user who doesn't understand the concept of rights.

#bydefinitionrightscantbeabusedyoudosscunt
Well thank God you are on here to straighten me out on the concept of rights and how by definition they can never ever be abused.

I hope you're a police defense lawyer. You can save us a lot of court costs with your “Rights can’t be abused. It's not possible!” ironclad case ending defense.
Thank you for intentionally misrepresenting what I said. Or did you not realize you just switched out one use of the word "right" for another. Of course rights can be infringed upon, or even gang-banged, but abused? In the sense of "comparing Obama to Hitler is an abuse of free-speech"? Nope, I stand by what I said. Do better.

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Re: who is actually going to fall for obama care

Post by Machinesworking » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:07 pm

What I love about the internet forum experience is this pervasive habit of cherry picking in order to avoid the wider discussion. In the case of Galt here, he has not a single relevant point to make about the subject of people misrepresenting politicians and socialists as nazis, so he's nit picking on irrelevant grammar and rhetoric.

Otherwise wouldn't it be more relevant to talk about the subject at hand? As a turn of phrase "An abuse of free speech" is commonly known to mean for instance, that it's a lie to call Obama, Hitler, but it's legal. But hey, let's just attack people like they were going to ban that sort of speech with laughable self righteous indignation. :roll:

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