You're not the only one. Why do you think Ableton hid the link on their main site?I am ashamed of this forum.

You're not the only one. Why do you think Ableton hid the link on their main site?I am ashamed of this forum.
This is true.beats me wrote:For an alternative viewpoint…
How about we STFU on political discussions until The Lounge returns to a good balance of active topics that are entertaining and interesting, and have nothing to do with politics. Shit, maybe even something music related. For at least the last month or two The Lounge has been dominated by the same 3 or 4 topics that are mostly myrnova regurgitating his same views on the crimes of America throughout history to the present and to a lesser extent your commentary on different political ideologies. Then there’s the picture thread and the iPad thread. All other topics largely get ignored.
As myrnova rightly pointed out if you’re tired of him then just ignore him or don’t engage him, but some people just can’t let it go. Even if one person can’t let it go eventually others can’t help themselves but to rejoin back in. It never ends. If he would just leave for a couple weeks I guarantee this place would have a far greater range of discussions and with less insults.
If the goal was to turn this place into a heated political think tank then mission accomplished. But trying to control how that discussion takes place is going to hit a brick wall with the DNA of The Lounge that is mostly just a bunch of bored music producer goofballs trying to kill some time.
I've noticed this attitude only in angloamerican users, actually. For example: some time ago I started a thread called "antifascist songs and influence of music", which I thought could be an interesting matter of discussion. Here are the results:Funk N. Furter wrote:In the the old days they wrote songs like 16 tons or Imagine. Now, they write about bling and hoes.
Musicians used to be interested in social and political movements. On here they call things they don't like 'gay' and think it makes them cool. Any attempt at serious discussion on here is simply ridiculed and reduced to farce by most of the few people who comment. These trolls call the few genuine people on here trolls, like the Nazis called the Jews and communist names before rounding them up.
Judging by this forum, 'musicians' no longer have anything socially relevant to say.
I would welcome debate with people of any views, but there is no debate on here. Name-calling is the only thing offered. It's pathetic. People should be ashamed of themselves. I am ashamed of this forum.
I don't know much about U2, because I only know their most famous songs, like "sunday bloody sunday", "pride" etc. Aren't these songs "political"? I remember their famous album "war"...Funk N. Furter wrote:U2. Were they political?
Yes some of the early rap groups were quite political, and as you say RATM. I'm sure there are a few others. Things definitely went quiet in the 80s and afterwards though. Here we are in a global recession and the planet on it's way to destruction, and still nobody wants to discuss anything important, such as politics. What's wrong with people?
Funk N. Furter wrote:If you want other types of threads then post them, what's stopping you? You have a thread about a TV show that has plenty of posts on it. What's the problem? Don't bullshit on about me dominating the lounge when I've only posted on a couple of threads started by our resident right wing pundit.
Dude, I think you're reading waaay too deeply into this thing. What you're trying to tout as some conspiring imperialistic take-over is simply called culture. Culture has been around since the dawn of time; it's not a conspiracy.myrnova wrote:By the way, another reason for this "dumbness" in american and british "posts" (trolling or OT songs) is this: generally angloamericans completely ignore international music (for "angloamericans" I mean all the people living in U.S., U.K., Australia, etc.: english mother-tongue citizens, not "race").
I can notice that people from UK and U.S.A. when talking about "music" only mean "american and english songs and artists". They ignore 99% of music is neither american nor british. This is due to imperialism, which massively spreads those 5-10 american $$$ songs a month all over the world (all rather idiot: kety perry, etc.). This is because american corporations monopolize the music market. Actually, UK and U.S. music is nowadays not so important as it was years ago worldwide (expecially during cold war), because of discography "crisis" and because the new avant-guard today is in africa, asia and middle-east. The utmost americans can listen to, when referred to not american/british songs, are some covers with translated lyrics and an american singer singing them, or funny not-translated songs like the "viral" gangnam style or such. Not because of the song, but because they find it "entertaining", "funny" etc. That is the reason for those embarassing results, in my opinion: once Lennon died and the punk disappeared, UK/USA songs became very stupid. In the 80s and 90s there were only the african american rappers and bands like the RATM... nothing else in the UK/USA mainstream. Maybe the U2 (irish)?...
Sometimes (very rarely) not american artists can sing their songs in America, because maybe they hope to become famous there, but they always have to translate the lyrics in english(for "american taste"). The results are sad and... pathetic?
The old days.Funk N. Furter wrote:In the the old days they wrote songs like 16 tons or Imagine. Now, they write about bling and hoes.
Then you have to explain to me WHY in Italy, Greece, Spain, Mexico etc. 9 songs out of 10 on the radio, tv and movies are AMERICAN since 1945...Rane wrote:Dude, I think you're reading waaay too deeply into this thing. What you're trying to tout as some conspiring imperialistic take-over is simply called culture. Culture has been around since the dawn of time; it's not a conspiracy.myrnova wrote:By the way, another reason for this "dumbness" in american and british "posts" (trolling or OT songs) is this: generally angloamericans completely ignore international music (for "angloamericans" I mean all the people living in U.S., U.K., Australia, etc.: english mother-tongue citizens, not "race").
I can notice that people from UK and U.S.A. when talking about "music" only mean "american and english songs and artists". They ignore 99% of music is neither american nor british. This is due to imperialism, which massively spreads those 5-10 american $$$ songs a month all over the world (all rather idiot: kety perry, etc.). This is because american corporations monopolize the music market. Actually, UK and U.S. music is nowadays not so important as it was years ago worldwide (expecially during cold war), because of discography "crisis" and because the new avant-guard today is in africa, asia and middle-east. The utmost americans can listen to, when referred to not american/british songs, are some covers with translated lyrics and an american singer singing them, or funny not-translated songs like the "viral" gangnam style or such. Not because of the song, but because they find it "entertaining", "funny" etc. That is the reason for those embarassing results, in my opinion: once Lennon died and the punk disappeared, UK/USA songs became very stupid. In the 80s and 90s there were only the african american rappers and bands like the RATM... nothing else in the UK/USA mainstream. Maybe the U2 (irish)?...
Sometimes (very rarely) not american artists can sing their songs in America, because maybe they hope to become famous there, but they always have to translate the lyrics in english(for "american taste"). The results are sad and... pathetic?
By contrast, I never hear the Mexican gentlemen down the street from me listening to anything but mariachi music. Maybe they're imperialistic swine too?
People listen to music that speaks to them and is culturally relevant to them. Language I think plays a HUGE part. When was the last time you heard an instrumental on the radio? Instrumentals aren't that popular; and a song that's in another language might as well be an instrumental (cultural style and taste differences aside).