Musicians no longer socially relevant?

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TomViolenz
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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by TomViolenz » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:17 pm

Galt wrote:
TomViolenz wrote:And to the OP:

Galt said it on the first page: Musicians are not socially relevant, never were. People might have sung Imagine in the 70s - I just think it never had any measurable influence one way or the other...
Yay. People are agreeing with me. Time to revise my stance. :x

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Well, you could also just enjoy it.
Someday there may even be someone that finds you worthy to have a real discussion with... (Stranger things have happened!)

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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by Galt » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:17 pm

MADNESS.

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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by Galt » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:30 pm

You claim, because he's not agreeing with you. As a rule, communists are far less open-minded than the rest of us mindless drones. Then they wonder why nobody likes them. :roll:

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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by myrnova » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:00 pm

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...it is not a military dictatorship, no... :roll: :lol:

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typical "democratic" couch :roll:

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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by myrnova » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:08 pm

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so called "left" in America :roll: :lol: : the "democrats" :lol:

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the "opposition" :lol: (founded to end slavery) :lol:

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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by myrnova » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:18 pm

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"exporting democracy" :roll:

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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by myrnova » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:22 pm

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"mantaining democracy" :roll:

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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by myrnova » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:23 pm

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"controlling democracy" :roll: :lol:

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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by myrnova » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:27 pm

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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by TomViolenz » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:51 pm

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I think there are a few check boxes missing:
Secret laws: check
secret courts: check
"targeted killings" of citizens without trial: check (that radical muslim preacher of US citizenship killed by order of the president with a drone)
Secret prisons/camps without legal representation: check (Guantanamo)
Legalized torture: check
Secret security forces: check
Hired private security outside the direct contol by laws yet employed by the state: check (Blackwater etc.)
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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by TomViolenz » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:02 pm

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There was a deep shift in the political allignement of parties in the 1960s.
Basically the northern Democrats of the time dropped the "Southern Strategy" (pandering to the segregation proponents) in order to get the Civil Rights Act adopted in their own party.
The Republicans took that chance and adopted the "Southern Strategy". Leading to them always winning the south and basically shifting the positions of the parties on the political spectrum.

BTW: The argument you are using here is often used by the radical right in the US in order to excuse their own racism. (Basically saying the others make us do it or something- while this is far fom the truth)
The Democrats are far from democrats (like any elected politician in the US on the federal level), but this evil is wrongly attributed by you and by the right in the US.
(Choose your fellows carefully I'd say)

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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by rote fahne » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:49 pm

haliburton, james steele, monsanto.

monsanto is one of the most dangerous companies in the world.

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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by TomViolenz » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:59 pm

Funk N. Furter wrote:
TomViolenz wrote:
Funk N. Furter wrote: Myra, you don't help the cause by coming out with statements like this. This is what's known in revolutionary circles as 'bullshit'.
Funny, now he gets criticized for the only statement that is not only true, but sadly so...

Or why can the NSA build the global surveilance state, by ignoring any democratic rights the citizens of their own country might have. And the only thing the "President" can/will/is allowed to say is: Deal with it!

I think the whole socialist capitalist crap discussion here is totally irrelevant, the world is further and faster progressing towards global Fascism, and no one will stop it.
(Hell you guys claim to be politically concious, yet there was only one thread regarding the Snowden revelations and that was a joke thread. If there was ever a time to yell: Wake up sheeple, this would be it! Yet?! Nothing!)

And to the OP:

Galt said it on the first page: Musicians are not socially relevant, never were. People might have sung Imagine in the 70s - I just think it never had any measurable influence one way or the other...

And to add: This is not about America even, the whole western world is knee deep into developing the means to have total "information awareness" about their people (witness how Angie "Mutti" Merkel only starts to complain when it is here mobile phone being tapped!). Democracies don't do stuff like this, Fascist Dictatorships on the other hand....
So hold tight guys.....
(And any anti government musician who does not use lyrics today, will be very glad he didn't in the future!)
You have no idea what you're talking about.
I had posted a quite snarky response to your post last night, Abletons system seems to have swallowed it. I'm glad it did. I don't want to communicate on this level, not even with you.
But: Why don't you try to rescue the reputation as a political thinker that you seem to have of yourself, by addressing what it is I'm mistaken on, where my ignorance lies and point to some facts, or at least well thought out opinions, that may make me reconsider?! This one liner just furthers insignificant forum wars. Something you often complain about.

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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by TomViolenz » Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:17 pm

And here a quote for all those who claim this critizism is somehow just disguised "Anti-Americanism" (Like some of the little fascist poodles in our (German) government don't get tired of claiming)
U.S. President Abraham Lincoln wrote:“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”

—U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)
Please compare the described scenario to our present situation and draw your own conclusions...

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Re: Musicians no longer socially relevant?

Post by Galt » Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:32 pm

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