Nelson Mandela

[re:dream]

on another note

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFGgbT_VasI

Stadium filling up in Green Point now. I kinda wish I was there.

The thought does strike me that it can be good for a country to lose its prophet.

You kinda have to take responsibility for things.

[Galt]

Lies = good

Truth = bad

You're an idiot.

[TomViolenz]

Funken, why don't you start that thread about SA politics then, so the Nelson Mandela memorial thread does not get derailed?!

Yes, the actions of the ANC government since 1994 have nothing to do with Nelson Mandela, I do apologise. And of course it's ok for Galt to post lies about the South African economy, but not for me to refute them.

Lies = good

Truth = bad

Please do not mention South Africa or the ANC in a thread about Nelson Mandela folks, it's not relevant, Tomm Violenz says so.

No it's because it's a memorial thread.
And I did not want to antagonize you with my suggestion!

[re:dream]

Please do not mention South Africa or the ANC in a thread about Nelson Mandela folks, it's not relevant, Tomm Violenz says so.

Clearly you can't discuss mandela without discussing politics

But I would think a bit of decorum is in order, and perhaps the more explicitly party political stuff that is not directly to do with him can be discussed elsewhere.

It's just a suggestion

[Galt]

I just proved that what you said was UNTRUE and you call ME an idiot! What the fuck does that make you then?

I've reported you to the mods for your behaviour here. If you feel that Mandela's RIP thread is a good place to spam random photos, quotes and graphs, even after several members have requested that you show a little respect, you have no business on this forum.

[re:dream]

The thought does strike me that it can be good for a country to lose its prophet.

Jesus fucking H. Christ.

For example, there is a lot of soul searching by everyone in South Africa about what his contribution to our country was.

A lot of people are saying things to the general effect of --> rather than be passive and wait for a charismatic leader to come and sort things out, people should rather take personal responsibility to live the ideals of tolerance, respect, dignity, grace and integrity that he stood for.

I think that is a maturing kind of moment for a nation.

And at the same time, it is sad, and a great loss.

[Galt]

I'm not discussing explicitly party stuff, apart from one post which was a reply to what you said. I'm refuting what Galt said about the economy being great under apartheid. Can you not read?

All you've managed to refute is the idea that you understand GDP. If you want to discuss this further, the Finn's been kind enough to start a new thread.

[re:dream]

[re:dream]

Funk, take it up with the mods. I don't agree with the ban on politics, but spamming other people's threads with unwelcome stuff is part of what brought on this ban.

Aside: Mandela was a political person, and clearly a thread on his legacy is therefore also a political thread. And political posts that related to Mandela and is legacy were clearly on topic.

But you made it all about you and Galt and socialism as usual.

I sent you a PM and politely asked you to keep the party political stuff out of this thread. You indicated your agreement with what I said. And then you went straight ahead and continued your boring war with Galt, and with increasingly ill-tempered and rancorous posts.

My polite request continues to be: please respect the tone and purpose of this thread.

If you want to fight with me, or anyone else, please go ahead, please take it offline, to another thread, to PM, or whatever. I really don't want this thread to become yet another drama about you.

[re:dream]

Nice story here:

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/ ... qlNR_QW18F

With Johannesburg’s official memorial for Mandela at FNB Stadium marred by issues ranging from a dodgy sign language interpreter to a feeling of general soullessness, it was hard not to feel despondent. But Cape Town’s memorial event, held at the Green Point stadium on Wednesday night, gave the great leader the send-off he deserved. For anyone lucky enough to be there, the sight of a multi-racial, multi-class crowd singing and dancing in a moment of unified catharsis will have moved them in innumerable ways.

It is difficult to talk or write about Wednesday night’s Cape Town memorial without seeming to be giving renewed life to those cheesy Castle ads from the mid-1990s. But the hackneyed old trope of the Rainbow Nation was truly everywhere, in a stadium in a city often rightly criticised for its ongoing racial divisions. Helen Zille was seen sitting in the thick of a group of red-bereted EFF supporters, amiably chatting. Johnny Clegg wooed the crowd with fierce Zulu poems; the Bala brothers moved them to tears with an Afrikaans melody. Strangers hugged and posed for photos. The former captain of a rugby team once synonymous with Apartheid privilege, Francois Pienaar, was cheered so lustily that he couldn’t make himself heard above the din.

A black boy and a white girl sat, their limbs lovingly intertwined, next to two jiving SANDF members in military fatigues, sporting glow-stick epaulettes pinned on them by a group of interracial youngsters. At the end of the evening, as Ladysmith Black Mambazo’s harmonies soared hauntingly, the crowd took off the glow-sticks adorning their heads and wrists and bound them together in an incandescent rope stretching nearly the length of the stadium. An 11-year old performance poet, Botlhale Boikanyo, told the story of Mandela’s heroic life in mixed Xhosa and English with a verve that challenged any other eulogy given in this country thus far. Legendary old man of letters, Don Mattera, read poems of loss and sorrow: “Madiba!” he cried, as if from his very soul. “Madiba!”

There were speeches, of course, from across the political spectrum: from Trevor Manuel and Marius Fransman, Patricia de Lille and Helen Zille. When Zille took the lectern, there were a few boos; a woman was captured on the big screen giving a furious thumbs-down. But Zille launched immediately into a Xhosa song, and the crowd joined their voices to hers. It was not a night for petty party politicking, or for politics at all, in fact. Nobody was there to listen to talking heads tell them what Mandela should mean to them. They didn’t need any help with that. It was there in the sorrow-filled cries of “Aah, Dalibunga”; in the celebratory jiving to Brenda Fassie’s ‘Black President’; in the sea of flags of the democratic South Africa which seemed to cover every conceivable inch of space in the packed stands.

And so on

[re:dream]

... sorry, repost

[Galt]

^ I've issued a second complaint to the mods and recommended that you be banned. You've been politely asked to show a modicum of respect but you are clearly incapable of self-moderatation.

[Ableton_David]

Please see the new Community Guidelines - no more political or religious discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=40&t=155041

I'm going to lock this thread. Please do not make a new one.