Ebola is the new AIDs

[stringtapper]

What do you think the WHO did wrong?!

Eminence Front…?

[re:dream]

If the WHO had been doing its job

Could you elaborate?!
From what my take of the news was back when there where only less than 100 cases reported, the WHO called out an emergency and asked the countries affected to take this seriously. Which they didn't.

What do you think the WHO did wrong?!

I am talking about the previous 20 years.

We have seen decades of under-investment in health infrastructure in Africa, and the implementation of totally stupid US-influenced 'user pays' health policies that have made access to health care for the majority of the population an impossibility.

Ebola has been around for years - it's been a disaster waiting to happen. WHO had the knowledge and the responsibility to ensure that developing countries were better prepared.

[TomViolenz]

If the WHO had been doing its job

Could you elaborate?!
From what my take of the news was back when there where only less than 100 cases reported, the WHO called out an emergency and asked the countries affected to take this seriously. Which they didn't.

What do you think the WHO did wrong?!

I am talking about the previous 20 years.

We have seen decades of under-investment in health infrastructure in Africa, and the implementation of totally stupid US-influenced 'user pays' health policies that have made access to health care for the majority of the population an impossibility.

Ebola has been around for years - it's been a disaster waiting to happen. WHO had the knowledge and the responsibility to ensure that developing countries were better prepared.

Hm, I guess I always considered the WHO to be just another one of these toothless UN organizations that tell everyone what should be done (because most countries agree to that being the sensible path to take) and then no one actually doing it. (for various reasons - but usually because it would require too much effort/money to help the people no one (in power) actually cares about)
Just like the millenium goals, limiting climate change to 2°C etc.

For that reason I found it strange to apply guilt to an organization that no one should expect anything but warnings from in the first place...

[beats me]

You're leaving out one thing:

In order to be transmitted on a large scale everyone would have to engage in a mass ass-raping train across the country without using protection or (crucially) lube.

Beyond that the fucking thing just isn't that communicable.

Are you talking about AIDS or ebola?

[stringtapper]

You're leaving out one thing:

In order to be transmitted on a large scale everyone would have to engage in a mass ass-raping train across the country without using protection or (crucially) lube.

Beyond that the fucking thing just isn't that communicable.

Are you talking about AIDS or ebola?

Ebola. I was just amping up the hypothetical for LSZ's amusement.

Point being that it takes contact with bodily fluids and such to contract it. It ain't airborne, in other words.

[H20nly]

What do you think the WHO did wrong?!

Eminence Front…?

i thought Tommy was pretty lame too.



the weird thing about Ebola to me, is that the CDC owns a patent on it.

[TomViolenz]

What do you think the WHO did wrong?!

Eminence Front…?

i thought Tommy was pretty lame too.

Fuck that took me a while

[aisling]

was invented by the kgb to combat overpopulation.

But no reported cases in china yet.

[derzai]

was invented by the kgb to combat overpopulation.

But no reported cases in china yet.

The oral polio vaccine (OPV) AIDS hypothesis suggests that the AIDS pandemic originated from live polio vaccines prepared in rhesus macaque tissue cultures and then administered to up to one million Africans between 1957 and 1960 in experimental mass vaccination campaigns.[1][2]

Data analyses in molecular biology and phylogenetic studies contradict the OPV AIDS hypothesis; consequently, scientific consensus regards the hypothesis as disproven.[3][4][5][6] The journal Nature has described the hypothesis as "refuted".[7]


So my kgb remark was merely a trolling statement to suggest similar discussion will happen about the origin of the ebola virus.

I watchted the origin of aids virus a decade ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZs1V8mpcoY

Dont know what to think. Could also be that "scientists" were paid to "disprove" certain things, dont know.



add. info:
At last count "The Origins of AIDS" had been broadcast in some twenty countries world-wide (the major exception being the UK, where legal pressure by lawyers representing doctors Koprowski and Plotkin caused Channel Four to postpone its planned broadcast).

It has also won, at last count, four scientific prizes and five major film prizes (including the prestigious Europa Prize), and was short-listed (to the final four) for an International Emmy for Best Documentary of 2004. By all accounts, these prizes and awards have come despite vigorous interventions made against the film by certain (mainly American) members of some of the juries.

An additional factor has been the concerted campaign waged against "The Origins of AIDS" by a group of scientists representing those who made CHAT vaccine, and those who champion the bushmeat theory of origin. These men and women have written a series of identical letters to TV companies and film festivals, claiming (falsely) that the OPV hypothesis of origin has been disproved, and urging them not to show the film. This group of collaborators is led and coordinated by Koprowski's right-hand man of the 1950s, Stanley Plotkin, who helped Hilary Koprowski organise the African testing of CHAT vaccine in the Belgian Congo and Ruanda-Urundi. It also features Koprowski's close friend Robert Gallo (the man who, in the early 1980s, tried to annexe credit for discovery of the AIDS virus from Luc Montagnier's team, and who describes Hilary Koprowski as his "mentor"), as well as Plotkin's hired rottweiler and PR advisor, John Moore. Other members include leading bushmeat proponents, Beatrice Hahn, Bette Korber, and Steve Wolinsky, as well as Robin Weiss and Simon Wain-Hobson, the two scientists who arranged the Royal Society conference on "Origins of HIV and the AIDS epidemic" after Bill Hamilton's death, and who so signally failed to provide the "level playing-field" that they had promised. It is now apparent that a community of interest developed between these men and women several months before the Royal Society meeting in September 2000.

Some of the TV broadcasts have been on minor channels, or late-at-night, and in certain instances pressures appear to have been brought to bear on the broadcasters from higher authorities. For instance, when the film was shown on France2, the second government channel in France, on World AIDS Day (December 1st) 2003, the broadcast was apparently preceded by a 2-minute appearance from a scientist from the Pasteur Institute, who asked viewers to bear in mind that the OPV theory had been disproved, because scientists had already discovered an AIDS case from 1931! This, of course, was a complete fabrication. The fact that the Pasteur wheeled out a compliant scientist who was prepared to tell lies on national television, gives some indication of the "fear and loathing" which certain governments and government-financed institutions feel about the OPV theory.

It is now apparent that the American, Belgian and French governments were all actively involved in the experimental polio vaccination trials that were conducted in colonial Africa in the late 1950s. There is now compelling evidence that the Belgian/American trials were responsible for the sparking of the AIDS pandemic in the Belgian Congo and Ruanda-Urundi. The information about the French trials is more sparse, but is enough to indicate that they may well be linked to the three minor outbreaks of AIDS that occurred in France's former colonies of French West Africa and French Equatorial Africa. Given this, it is perhaps not surprising that at least some of these governments are now resorting to carefully-coordinated disinformation campaigns.

Only a portion of the evidence supporting the foregoing statement about the Belgian/American trials has thus far been published. But two things, in particular, strike me as immensely impressive:

a) that when challenged as to their grounds for opposing the OPV theory, its leading opponents - and those who were directly involved with the Stanleyville trials - are unable to come up with a single legitimate argument, either scientific or historical, to support their position. When pressed many of them, and many of those less directly involved (like the Pasteur scientist, above), resort to citing non-existent evidence.

b) that the Plotkin team has expended a great deal of time and energy on trying to persuade those who have already given significant testimony to me, or to the "Origins of AIDS" film crew, to later withdraw or modify their statements on key issues. Sometimes the approach of the Plotkins involves the exertion of peer pressure through senior colleagues, but sometimes (as with certain of the African witnesses shown in the film) the attempt has been underpinned by "financial inducements". Fortunately several of these attempts have backfired, and there is a rather substantial trail of evidence about the cover-up that the Plotkins have been endeavouring to stage.

The bottom line? None of the alleged scientific evidence against the OPV theory (the testing of samples of American-made OPV; the alleged dating of HIV-1 to the 1930s; the claim that no Pan troglodytes troglodytes chimps were used by the Stanleyville scientists) actually stands up. And as for the "historical evidence", if you're speaking the truth, then you really don't need to lean on witnesses to get them to support your version of history.

Ed Hooper. June 30, 2006

https://www.uow.edu.au/~bmartin/dissent ... 6film.html


ps. when you go into the "conspiry" part of derzais mind, then he will say that there isnt any coincidence at all. i mean, rwanda, congo, the west has tremendous interests over there, i.e. mining concessions. there is mineral resources in this area with the value of twenty times the yearly national product of the u.s.a. and russia combined.

the concessions are all owned by canadian companies btw.

but okay, i disgress too much here.

we were talking ebola.

[re:dream]

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014 ... asa-africa

[derzai]

the WHO

Pete was caught with kiddy porn.

[regretfullySaid]

Hey Scu, if I'm part of your headache, It shouldn't be long til I'm gone if it's any consolation. And I don't mean in the dramatic sense, but just as in life changes.

[beats me]

Hey Scu, if I'm part of your headache, It shouldn't be long til I'm gone if it's any consolation. And I don't mean in the dramatic sense, but just as in life changes.

Duuuude, you seriously need to get the fuck out of SoCal with a quickness. Its breaking you down.

[stringtapper]

Hey Scu, if I'm part of your headache, It shouldn't be long til I'm gone if it's any consolation. And I don't mean in the dramatic sense, but just as in life changes.

Are you dying? Cuz that's sort of a life change.

[re:dream]

Useful and informative article on Ebola for a change:

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/1/6880393/eb ... ed-america