Blurred Lines

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beats me
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Re: Blurred Lines

Post by beats me » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:24 pm

Honestly, fellas, that was meant to be a passing comment. I don’t want to burn any more calories defending or explaining it. :P

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Re: Blurred Lines

Post by TomViolenz » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:27 pm

beats me wrote:
TomViolenz wrote:Tom moment huh? :mrgreen:

No it's all good natured.

But if I recall your posts from the audio section correctly then you draw inspiration from loading midi patterns from Maschine expansions and use them while flipping through presets from the same expansions.

So where do you see the difference between you and these people?

Is it that they are a little more boasty about the results?!


I see the difference as I’m not posting videos of this as a great educational service to the masses…something that has already been done to death. I believe this leads to creative apathy and probably the reason so many songs sound alike. They all took “Success Through Bare Minimum Effort” at the University of Youtube.
Oh I certainly share the sentiment. I can even be quite a dick about it :lol:

Your example of chopping up a bar of whatever into 8th notes and totaly rearrange them was still shit. Especially in the context of this thread :lol:

But let's not turn this into a real discussion. These are frowned upon here in the Lounge ;-)

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Re: Blurred Lines

Post by H20nly » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:39 am

:x


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Re: Blurred Lines

Post by beats me » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:30 pm

If that’s a thing now I’m going to start putting together a list of songs that I also feel should stop being performed or sold. It will have nothing to do with copyright infringement.

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Re: Blurred Lines

Post by oblique strategies » Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:31 pm

The Blurred Lines Copyright Verdict is Bad News for Music
March 11, 2015

Yesterday, a jury found that the 2013 song "Blurred Lines" was an infringement of Marvin Gaye's "Got to Give It Up" composition from 1977. Following the 7-million-dollar verdict, professional musicians are waking up to a fact that ordinary Internet users have long known: our overbearing copyright laws are a threat to creativity.

Numerous musicians are expressing disbelief at the verdict, seeing little similarity between the two songs aside from a general "feel" or "vibe." According to the LA Times:

Los Angeles composer and producer Gregory Butler said Tuesday afternoon that his friends and colleagues in the industry were stunned by the verdict.

"You've made it illegal to reference previous material," said Butler, also a managing director at music startup WholeWorldBand. "I'm never going to come up with something so radically different that it doesn't contain references to something else."

Joe Escalante, an early member of the Vandals punk rock band and an entertainment law attorney, said he was concerned that the jury's decision had been driven by emotion rather than what's protected under copyright law.

"This may put a smile on the Gaye family's face, but it's a dark day for creativity, and in the end, this will be a net loss for music fans," he said.

Artists evoke elements of common culture all the time, to make their point or simply to entertain by putting their own twist on what has come before. This is what makes culture a conversation and not a series of disjointed soliloquies. Copyright law, though, is dangerously disconnected with the way culture gets made, and as a result it pushes entire genres and communities to the margins, such as those that involve sampling, remix, and other adaptations. A staggering amount of such work is generated noncommercially and available online, but the broad sweep of copyright exclusivity, the risk of disproportionate statutory damages, and the uneven application of the fair use doctrine mean that such authors are typically excluded from commercial opportunities. Far from being incentivized by copyright, such authors typically create in spite of the threats posed by copyright law.

The creators of “Blurred Lines” are likely to challenge yesterday's verdict, but if it is upheld then many more artists could be marginalized or discouraged. Musicians will have to think twice before creating any new songs that evoke the feel of the music that inspired them in their youth. And with the length of copyright we have these days, artists who want to feel confident that their musical influences are in the public domain are going to have to go all the way back to ragtime.

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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/03/b ... news-music

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Re: Blurred Lines

Post by stringtapper » Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:44 pm

Exactly.

What's next? AABA form is copyrightable? Sonata form? The key of E minor?

Where does it end?
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Re: Blurred Lines

Post by andydes » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:57 pm

What the Hell? Everyone has to be totally original now?

Not that I'm a great fan of marketing songs about date rape with pornographic videos to impressionable teens, or anything.

What a crappy precedent to set. I'm sure Marvin would be proud of his family.

FFS, read his Wikipedia page:
Influences

As a child, Gaye's main influence was his minister father, something he later acknowledged to biographer David Ritz, and also in interviews, often mentioning that his father's sermons greatly impressed him. His first major musical influences were doo-wop groups such as The Moonglows and The Capris. Gaye's Rock & Roll Hall of Fame page lists the Capris' song, God Only Knows as "critical to his musical awakening."[86] Of the Capris' song, Gaye said, "It fell from the heavens and hit me between the eyes. So much soul, so much hurt. I related to the story, to the way that no one except the Lord really can read the heart of lonely kids in love."[87] Gaye's main musical influences were Rudy West of The Five Keys, Clyde McPhatter, Ray Charles and Little Willie John.[88][89] Gaye considered Frank Sinatra a major influence in what he wanted to be.[89] He also was influenced by the vocal styles of Billy Eckstine and Nat King Cole.[90]

Later on as his Motown career developed, Gaye would seek inspiration in fellow label mates such as David Ruffin of The Temptations and Levi Stubbs of the Four Tops as their grittier voices led to Gaye and his producer seeking a similar sound in recordings such as "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" and "That's the Way Love Is". Later in his life, Gaye reflected on the influence of Ruffin and Stubbs stating, "I had heard something in their voices something my own voice lacked".[91][92] He further explained, "the Tempts and Tops' music made me remember that when a lot of women listen to music, they want to feel the power of a real man.

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Re: Blurred Lines

Post by H20nly » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:12 pm

^ Zing!

Too bad THAT wasn't admissible in court... then maybe the rest of us could continue to have influences without fear of retribution

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Re: Blurred Lines

Post by beats me » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:43 pm

To offer some comfort, most of us on here are too old and unconnected for our music to ever become relevant and successful enough to sue over. Be thankful nobody is listening to your music.

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Re: Blurred Lines

Post by regretfullySaid » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:53 pm

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Phewww!
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Re: Blurred Lines

Post by beats me » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:25 pm

It’s like the 40-year-old forklift driver getting worked up about the state of collegiate football and how it’s going to impact his future NFL prospects because any day now the odds were about to tip in his favor.

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Re: Blurred Lines

Post by slatepipe » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:42 pm

beats me wrote:To offer some comfort, most of us on here are too old and unconnected for our music to ever become relevant and successful enough to sue over. Be thankful nobody is listening to your music.
thanks for that harsh dose of brutal reality :x :)

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Re: Blurred Lines

Post by TomViolenz » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:08 pm

well how long do you'll think it will take until the Soundcloud etc algos also detect this sort of "infringement"?!

Then no, they won't ever sue you, because you can't even release it in the first place :x

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