No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

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Post by chudslayer » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:16 pm

Stromkraft wrote:
chudslayer wrote: Do you guys honestly believe there are no major improvements that need to be made and the current version covers everything anyone could possibly need? Live is an incredible DAW in it's current state but I think it's quite clear that there is still quite a bit of room for improvement. .
Now, I think you perhaps should use that search function anyhow. These forums would be significantly more empty unless numerous posts on what should be in Live hadn't been made over the years.
I'm aware that it's a common topic of discussion. That's precisely why I found it strange that people were comparing the possible release of Live 10 to "a volume knob that goes to 11!"
I just want to note that quite big improvements doesn't have to come in major updates. Just look at 9.5.
It's true that 9.5 was a big update, but, according to statements from the devs, many of the features Ableton needs to add (MPE/poly expression compatibility being a major one) are going to require a ground-up rewrite of the software. I can't imagine them releasing an overhaul of the software of that magnitude as a mere incremental update.
I worry about the fact computers haven't become that much faster the last 5 years and the demands DAW users put on them has only increased many times over that. There's currently a performance gap.
I think at this point the limitations are more in the software than the hardware. There's plenty of power available in modern CPUs but most developers have yet to optimize their software to fully take advantage of the high CPU-core counts and expanded RAM common in modern computers.

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Re: No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

Post by Angstrom » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:46 pm

We joke about Live 11 because its impossible to guess what they will do. We can hope, but that's all.

As for features I'd like to see in Live 10, or things I'd like to complain about - the list is very long, but by now it is well known. Any old forum people could probably recite my greivances and Ableton have a dart board with my face on. Every day I bump against limitations, probably 50% of them will be adressed in Live 10, the remainder will simply be left ... some features will arive which I like, some will arrive which I hate.

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Re: No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

Post by Tarekith » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:22 pm

Surprised you didn't include a song about the browser on that album to be honest.

:lol:

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Post by Stromkraft » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:20 pm

chudslayer wrote:
Stromkraft wrote:I worry about the fact computers haven't become that much faster the last 5 years and the demands DAW users put on them has only increased many times over that. There's currently a performance gap.
I think at this point the limitations are more in the software than the hardware. There's plenty of power available in modern CPUs but most developers have yet to optimize their software to fully take advantage of the high CPU-core counts and expanded RAM common in modern computers.
Yes, this is true. I'm not sure of how much of well-optimized code there is in Live or other DAWs, but there are performance limitations currently in Live at least. How much of this that is due to code that can be further optimised I don't know. Optimising code can be very expensive and time-consuming.

Personally, I feel optimising code execution is more important than any nice new feature. I'd love polyphonic aftertouch and MPE, but I don't see that fitting into the current performance state of Live, that barely is within the acceptable as I see it. Not bad though.

And I also think that the Automation Delay Compensation added to 9.2 was pretty major. It changed everything.
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Re: No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

Post by Stromkraft » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:22 pm

Tarekith wrote:Surprised you didn't include a song about the browser on that album to be honest.
Yeah, why leave out that grievance point? And where are the 3 remix versions of The Lack Of… you promised for the re-release, Angstrom? Is it coming? :P
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Re: No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

Post by Angstrom » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:34 pm

:evil: I'm just too busy working on my weeks long Wagnerian song cycle entitled "opening takes eternity" and my gothic blues album "arrangements inflexible hell ".

They are takimg a while because opening Live takes an eternity and arranging in Live is hell.

Am I doing this right?

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Re: No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

Post by Tarekith » Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:53 am

You mean complaining? Yeah, I think you're on the right track. :)

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Re: No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

Post by Stromkraft » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:07 am

Live 9.7.2b1. I guess it's not time for 10 yet. Or maybe…
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Re: No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

Post by koranek » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:01 am

Yes, I was just about to post that I was wrong about the whole thing.

I was also surprised that this post bothered anyone because there were other speculation threads elsewhere. I'll gladly contribute to an Ableton Web Storage support fund if there is any issues with unnecessary postings in the Lounge. I now realize that this entire thread may have wasted Kilobytes of storage.

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Re: No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

Post by miletbaker » Tue May 30, 2017 10:53 am

I'm posting this in all the discussions that are discussing MPE support to try and get support for this feature (so apologies for cross posting):

I had a reply from Ableton support that MPE support isn't currently planned. Their suggestion is: if we want this feature we should up vote it on the beta site. I recommend all of us that want this do what their support suggests. It takes two minutes to register with their beta site here: https://ableton.centercode.com/welcome/

Then once you have an account, login and click on Live 9 and suggestions.

There are two MPE related suggestions

SUG-1678 (created a year ago) with 28 upvotes: https://ableton.centercode.com/project/ ... ee7537053a

and

SUG-0982 (created 2 years ago) with 38 upvotes https://ableton.centercode.com/project/ ... D}&a=v&t=1

If you want MPE support then please make your voice heard!

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Re: No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

Post by BoddAH » Wed May 31, 2017 12:38 pm

Stromkraft wrote:Live 9.7.2b1. I guess it's not time for 10 yet. Or maybe…
After Live 9.9.9b9 they'll have no other choice than to upgrade. :lol:

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Re: No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

Post by Stefan Jantschek » Wed May 31, 2017 12:45 pm

9.9.9b9.02

:lol: :lol:

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Re: No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

Post by [jur] » Wed May 31, 2017 1:41 pm

what's wrong with a 9.10 ?
and what about 9.11 :lol:
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Re: No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

Post by BoddAH » Wed May 31, 2017 2:51 pm

[jur] wrote: and what about 9.11 :lol:
2018, Ableton did 9.11.

Never forget

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Re: No new betas since 9.7.1 - Live 10?

Post by Stefan Jantschek » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:08 am

[jur] wrote: and what about 9.11 :lol:
Similarities.

Still searching for truth.

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