Live 10 around the corner?

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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by antic604 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:34 pm

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mekanism1200 wrote:If I had it my way I would disable the session view altogether. I just dont use it, and sold my Push because I was basically forced to follow that workflow. I suppose I would have been better off with a linear DAW like like Cubase or Logic. However, Ableton was easy to start out on and everything seemed logical and the UI is simple and well placed. My first intro to DAW's was Reason 2.0 and while you can create sounds very quickly the UI can get confusing and scrolling through machines gets old.

For 10 I hope they provide some updates to the arrangement section, make editing of multiple tracks easier and for the love of all things under the sun allow an "Insert Time" so I dont have to grab half of my projects arrangement with 30+ tracks just to move it over 8 bars to create dead space!

Also I would really like tabbed projects...imagine being able to grab a previous versions' track data into a newer version because you "took things a little too far" with that preset and completely muffed the mix.

Unsolicited advice here, but I also think that if Ableton does not give us arrangement section updates in the next version, it would really help your workflow to try a more traditional DAW. It might take some time to learn a new program, but there's a lot of power in using a traditional DAW that Ableton (so far...) hasn't added to arrangement view.

My question is, does Ableton want us to finish our tracks in another DAW, or they working on some amazing arrangement page ideas that will blow our minds soon? I'm hoping for the latter in Live 10!
If what we've seen in that DJ Jazzy Jeff video is indeed Live 10, then I wouldn't keep your hopes up for that...

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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by Martin Gifford » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:07 am

Yesterday, I received an email survey about improvements I'd like to see in Ableton. That makes me think they are only beginning to start work on version 10.

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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by mekanism1200 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:45 am

Martin Gifford wrote:Yesterday, I received an email survey about improvements I'd like to see in Ableton. That makes me think they are only beginning to start work on version 10.
If that is the case then Ableton will seriously be left behind. There is too much competition for them not to be innovating. I suspect they will announce 10 at Loop in November. Fingers Crossed!

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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by Stromkraft » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:28 am

mekanism1200 wrote:
Martin Gifford wrote:Yesterday, I received an email survey about improvements I'd like to see in Ableton. That makes me think they are only beginning to start work on version 10.
If that is the case then Ableton will seriously be left behind.
As if the very possible Live 9.8 and Live 9.9 couldn't bring new things as did 9.2 and 9.5. I mean how are you thinking?

What us Ableton Live users actually need is a stable and effective DAW, not "features" that takes two years before things actually works (remembering 9.0 and 9.1).
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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by sporkles » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:15 pm

@stromkraft sure, it's possible they could still throw in a bell or a whistle in a 9 point version, but I think it's pretty safe to assume that if Live is going to keep evolving, at some point it will need to start anew. I'm no programmer, but if Ableton are going to provide some of the most requested major changes (better browser, proper scaling of every part of the UI), it seems to me that they might have to "soften up" a bit on their old UI regime. It has been great, but I think it has been pushed as far as it can at this point.

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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by Stromkraft » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:25 pm

sporkles wrote: …if Ableton are going to provide some of the most requested major changes (better browser, proper scaling of every part of the UI), it seems to me that they might have to "soften up" a bit on their old UI regime. It has been great, but I think it has been pushed as far as it can at this point.
This doesn't make much sense, unless you mean the GUI technical underpinnings, which in the end doesn't have to have anything to do with how the Live GUI looks per se.

Ableton can build on the UI as is, and get a better browser and perfect scaling in different resolutions right now. Granted, some technology and developmental work may make certain things possible and there may be a balance to strike between investing in coding for the current code base and investing in a (likely partially) new code base. Maybe this is what you mean? I don't see Ableton throwing out vast parts of the code base for Live 10 though. Clearly Live is modular in many ways (I'm assuming this anyway), so they should be able to cater to some flexibility in current and future developments.

Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but it feels we're looking at something big soon, don't you think? What it is, I have no idea about.
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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by Martin Gifford » Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:37 am

sporkles wrote:I think it's pretty safe to assume that if Live is going to keep evolving, at some point it will need to start anew. I'm no programmer, but if Ableton are going to provide some of the most requested major changes (better browser, proper scaling of every part of the UI), it seems to me that they might have to "soften up" a bit on their old UI regime. It has been great, but I think it has been pushed as far as it can at this point.
I reckon you're right. Seeing the huge improvements that happen with FL Studio and Studio One with mere point iterations, I figure it must be because they have a better underlying platform that makes it easier to make changes. With Ableton, even little things like making fonts visible in the midi editor when using a dark skin seem impossible to achieve. If the underlying code was good, they'd be able to fix that easily rather than giving up on it. Also, they seem to have no clue about the browser - but I'm not happy with the browsers of any DAW.

There again, much of the code must be great because things like automation and undo are done amazingly well in Ableton.
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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by mekanism1200 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:37 am

Stromkraft wrote:users actually need is a stable and effective DAW, not "features" that takes two years before things actually works (remembering 9.0 and 9.1).
Stromkraft wrote:Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but it feels we're looking at something big soon, don't you think? What it is, I have no idea about.
You kind of contradicted yourself a bit here. Are you hoping for a big release or want things to get more stable?

I personally would like both!

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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by sporkles » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:29 am

Like I said; I'm no programmer, but the fact that they implemented a half-arsed all or nothing UI scaling option tells me there's either something limiting in the underlying code or they simply don't know how to expand upon the existing UI. If that screenshot from the Jazzy Jeff video really reveals something about Live 10, I have to say I'm not impressed. Yes, the expanded MIDI view could be a sign that they're finally giving us more and better tools for editing MIDI, but I don't see anything fundamentally different in the design – which isn't necessarily a problem. If they would simply make devices in device view scalable by simply dragging the device view top border up, like clip view, that might be enough with respect to scaling.

I agree that the browser is a different topic, but in its current state, it's driving me nuts. Let's say you want to use and audition wav samples from a number of Kontakt libraries in Live – good luck! (Hint: these samples are always stored in a subfolder called ... Samples.)

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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by scheffkoch » Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:56 pm

...scroll down a little bit... https://twitter.com/hashtag/ableton10?src=hash
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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by antic604 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:41 pm

scheffkoch wrote:...scroll down a little bit... https://twitter.com/hashtag/ableton10?src=hash
And what will we see exactly? Are you talking about that UI re-work that a guy pitched to get a job at Ableton?

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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by Angstrom » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:29 pm

antic604 wrote:
scheffkoch wrote:...scroll down a little bit... https://twitter.com/hashtag/ableton10?src=hash
And what will we see exactly? Are you talking about that UI re-work that a guy pitched to get a job at Ableton?
yes it's a "fan mockup" but I think this one is a different dude, it's this fella -

https://dribbble.com/shots/2255100-Able ... nts/422134

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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by Stromkraft » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:58 pm

Angstrom wrote: yes it's a "fan mockup" but I think this one is a different dude, it's this fella -
It's dreadful actually. Let's hope this is not it. I really feel Ableton can do way, way much better than this whiffle-whaffle:

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Re: Live 10 around the corner?

Post by antic604 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:51 am

Gonna leave those here:

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