Ableton Acquires Cycling '74

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Re: Ableton Acquires Cycling '74

Post by [jur] » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:01 pm

TomKern wrote:
Machinesworking wrote: I think you have a slight ESL issue going on here, forgive me if I'm wrong about it, but I've never called you masochistic or patently insane, I've called your contempt of M4L and your frustration with it's development in Live being put to the forefront for all these years those things.
Weasel words. Of course you hide your malice behind pedantic word games again.
Fact is you needed to attack my argument with those words because you can't address them with actual counter arguments. So you ridicule them with play ground insults. Quite the class act you are.
And with the ESL again, huh?! My English is just fine thank you very much.
I've never addressed you as a person, I don't know you other than that you're obviously tomviolence, and that you have strong opinions. I harbor no malice towards you, you're only words on a screen to me. :)
So you harbor no malice towards me, but you publicly divulge suspicions that you must know will get me banned again?!
Right...

No need to answer btw, because by the time you read this I will be banned again thanks to you (and me not hiding and thus "admitting" it to Tarekith)
Thanks to him?
:lol:

Btw, play it cool and it should be fine... you know the rules.
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Re: Ableton Acquires Cycling '74

Post by stringtapper » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:29 pm

TomKern wrote:
stringtapper wrote:
TomKern wrote:Besides what are the Max users saying about this step, the ones not using Live? Doesn't that mean the Max standalone version will disappear or at least get neglected?
No, it doesn't mean that at all and Gerhard said it point blank in the interview.
But in most merger cases this sort of rhetoric is used. Almost never ends that way.
I'm confident that David Zicarelli would never have even considered the merger if Max standalone going away was a possibility.
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Re: Ableton Acquires Cycling '74

Post by fishmonkey » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:59 am

[jur] wrote:
TomKern wrote:
Machinesworking wrote: I think you have a slight ESL issue going on here, forgive me if I'm wrong about it, but I've never called you masochistic or patently insane, I've called your contempt of M4L and your frustration with it's development in Live being put to the forefront for all these years those things.
Weasel words. Of course you hide your malice behind pedantic word games again.
Fact is you needed to attack my argument with those words because you can't address them with actual counter arguments. So you ridicule them with play ground insults. Quite the class act you are.
And with the ESL again, huh?! My English is just fine thank you very much.
I've never addressed you as a person, I don't know you other than that you're obviously tomviolence, and that you have strong opinions. I harbor no malice towards you, you're only words on a screen to me. :)
So you harbor no malice towards me, but you publicly divulge suspicions that you must know will get me banned again?!
Right...

No need to answer btw, because by the time you read this I will be banned again thanks to you (and me not hiding and thus "admitting" it to Tarekith)
Thanks to him?
:lol:

Btw, play it cool and it should be fine... you know the rules.
seriously. what a brilliant disguise, using 'Tom' in both usernames...
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Re: Ableton Acquires Cycling '74

Post by lowshelf » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:17 pm

Reading this thread makes me reflect on Ableton's maturing concept of "Live". Obviously it's grown beyond the original laptop DJing thing. But to what? It's not really a battlefield for stage vs studio. I suspect it's more about "Live" being an environment for radical manoeuvres, instinctive control and exploring compositional vectors; the same modalities that electro-acoustic types performing just with Max/MSP have down... And there are a ton of those, if ever you fail to escape the arm-restraints at an EA festival. As modern electronic music so easily become sterile - so pristine, so perfect, so dead - this concept of liveness should be embraced. Ableton always had that, for composition, with its session view. I used to think they missed a trick by not linking/pooling session clips in the arrangement, like the way seq24 did it. But it's that exclusively immediate, real-time thing about session view which makes it so vital. With a deepening embrace of M4L, I think that 'Liveness' can permeate new areas of timbre, rhythm, input, etc. For posterity and practicality, there will be a point where mad scientist experiments that are made *with* mad scientist experiments get frozen, rendered, printed into arrangements. Where things become fixed, predictable, stable, sane. But until that point, it's game on.

/waffle
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Re: Ableton Acquires Cycling '74

Post by LOFA » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:25 pm

I am so excited about all of this. This is insane. I am celebrating by learning a shit-ton of JS. Wheeeee!

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Re: Ableton Acquires Cycling '74

Post by S4racen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:34 pm

LOFA wrote:I am so excited about all of this. This is insane. I am celebrating by learning a shit-ton of JS. Wheeeee!
This

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Re: Ableton Acquires Cycling '74

Post by steko » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:34 pm

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Re: Ableton Acquires Cycling '74

Post by H20nly » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:59 pm

Machinesworking wrote:a ReWire salve
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