Live 10 upgrade path

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Stromkraft
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Stromkraft » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:03 am

Trump2016 wrote: Compare with Apple's release a few days ago of GarageBand for iOS where they reinvented the UI of a touch interface sampler in an amazing way, along with files, AB, and AU support.
That's not a fair comparison. If Apple want they can buy Steinberg, Cakewalk, Prosonus, Avid, Motu, Presonus, Image-Line, Propellerhead, Cockos and Ableton tomorrow and dismantle and lay off the competition. My point is then that Apple has virtually unlimited resources (for what they want to offer naturally). For comparisons look at those companies and maybe a few others.

I feel the upgrade fees are both not steep and fair. I do hope Standard users get a good deal too.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Trump2016 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:21 am

Stromkraft wrote:
Trump2016 wrote: Compare with Apple's release a few days ago of GarageBand for iOS where they reinvented the UI of a touch interface sampler in an amazing way, along with files, AB, and AU support.
That's not a fair comparison. If Apple want they can buy Steinberg, Cakewalk, Prosonus, Avid, Motu, Presonus, Image-Line, Propellerhead, Cockos and Ableton tomorrow and dismantle and lay off the competition. My point is then that Apple has virtually unlimited resources (for what they want to offer naturally). For comparisons look at those companies and maybe a few others.

I feel the upgrade fees are both not steep and fair. I do hope Standard users get a good deal too.
It's not about the cost, it's about the bugs and things promised. This update under no circumstance constitutes a major version. Sure, there are a few things worth paying for if left to a new version, but fixing a wonky bug filled arrangement view UI is not any of them.

The wavetable synth could have been sold separately, and a promise for version 10 to include it. They just chose in an awkward phase of product development under pressure to raise revenue to shrug and say, "Meh, good enough, let's collect $239 from everyone." No chance for me. Sold my Push, converting to a different workflow. I'm sure it's worth it for many, but it's bordering on unethical in my opinion.

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by CH7 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:55 am

Danny_DJ wrote:...and keep in mind that with live 9's introduction, Ableton introduced a lot of workflow and feature enhancements with minor updates. So this is just the beginning of 10.
I think the upgrade from Live 9 suite to 10 will be worth it at £183 - UK. Remember this isn't just for what we've heard will be released soon, but for the years of support and free updates to come. Besides who knows what else might be announced when Live is actually launched.

Anyone recall the pre-Bitwig hype?

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by raapie » Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:19 am

phuzzee_demon wrote:I've got a friend who is upgrading from Live 3 and it is the same price as me upgrading from Live 8 so I guess there isn't any better of a deal by doing every upgrade cycle.
You're price from updating from Live 8 is how much? I am thinking about not updating from Live 9. For me it's 199 euros when I do it now (discount, normal price 249).

For 199 I can get Logic X which has better amp simulators pedals, that amazing Drummer and many other stuff.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Stromkraft » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:26 pm

raapie wrote:
For 199 I can get Logic X which has better amp simulators pedals, that amazing Drummer and many other stuff.
To each his/hers own. I can see it would be more useful having both Live 9 and LogicX, but I'm all in with Live.

It looks like am converting my Intro to Standard though, and selling my Suite license (below). Almost closed the deal.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by PHY6 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:33 pm

Do not feel the need to upgrade from Yosemite...why not support 10.10 ?

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Stromkraft » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:44 pm

PHY6 wrote:Do not feel the need to upgrade from Yosemite...why not support 10.10 ?
Because of Apple developer libraries I think. There's now 10.11, 10.12 and 10.13. Just supporting those is a lot of work.

10.10 has nothing on 10.12, if you can run that. Which yu can with some editing. It's a myth later versions are slower. It's the opposite, at least for clean installs. I'm just saying.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by login » Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:01 pm

Apple no longer supports 10.10, that's why. Ableton can't support an OS the developer no longer does.

Yes, Logic seems better value, if it is for you then go ahead really. Ableton simply can't compete in pricing vs Logic, doesn't has the capital to offer such product at such price point, Apple does so..

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Stromkraft » Fri Nov 24, 2017 8:06 pm

login wrote:Apple no longer supports 10.10, that's why. Ableton can't support an OS the developer no longer does.
Of course they could, at least in theory. It's just that it's very costly to support many versions back. You more or less have to "translate" back some code and feature parity may not be possible in such complex software as a DAW. It's a balance I'm sure.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Goseba » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:24 pm

Original post became irrelevant, prices in the account changed. :D
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Stromkraft » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:06 pm

Goseba wrote:GBP (price comes up in EUROS)
When you don't post the euro price then it makes it difficult to asses how much that GBP figure is.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Goseba » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:35 pm

Original post became irrelevant, prices in the account changed. :D :oops:
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Stromkraft » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:35 am

Goseba wrote:GBP prices are all there for direct comparison ( Euro conversion was done on XE and rounded to nearest pound)
As I said.

I understand though. Obviously posting prices in both GBP and Euros is against your belief system, so please abstain.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by kitekrazy » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:09 am

You can now get the Cubase 9.5 Pro for $255. I think I'll pass and move to Live 10 despite not liking the upgrade price as a 9 Suite user.

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Goseba » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:46 am

Original post became irrelevant, prices in the account changed. :D
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