Live 10 upgrade path

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Sional
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Sional » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:51 am

I do find it strange that some people defend Ableton's upgrade pricing for existing Suite owners.

The fact remains that the person who will have paid the least amount of money for Live 10 Suite is the person who has never owned Live before.

Suite 10 can be purchased for £415 (buy Suite 9 now and get the free upgrade to 10).

I paid £124 to upgrade from Suite 8 to 9 and am being asked to pay £183 if I want to upgrade to Suite 10.
So Ableton values my Suite 8 licence at £108!

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Stromkraft » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:19 pm

Sional wrote:I do find it strange that some people defend Ableton's upgrade pricing for existing Suite owners.
Well, as far as I am concerned I'm being realistic. I'd rather pay $500 for the update and get a great DAW than pay as little as bleedin' possible and see Ableton pack it at some point. Look at what happened to Cakewalk (Bought and terminated).

I view Live as a pro application and what I fear is that they will cater only to non-Pros and price accordingly gravitating towards zero.

Anyone can make a decision for themselves with these things. It's not as if we can't keep making great music with Live 9. Personally I'm going to 10.

The way I see it what you are willing to pay for your tools also reflect how you value what you produce with these tools.

Most important
I certainly think that Ableton could address a number of things to make their products more attractive. That is so much more important than the price and I even have less money (at the moment anyway) than most and I still feel like that. Ableton shouldn't compete on price, but on offering one of the best DAWs on the planet.
Make some music!

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Angstrom » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:12 pm

it's not absolutely great pricing but its not the worst either.

I mean - what's Bitwig's yearly fee to keep up with support and point versions? It's something like €159 every year!
On the flipside we have the Fruity model, which is (pardon me) bananas value, and I have no idea how they keep going with giving away full updates.

Value is measured against usage though.
I've got Studio One Pro3 which I upgraded for about £120 which I use about twice a month for arranging those hard to arrange tracks that Ableton can't reach.
I've got Live 9/10 which will cost me £180 which I use every day for pretty much everything.
Which of these is more valuable. Cost/time in use. Use your own formula.

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Buy it, don't buy it, whatever.
The bony hand of death beckons each of us, and as the reaper sends you into the infinite void he may just comment: "Oh, I see you saved yourself £180, nice, nice. Well, that will come in handy, eh?"

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by sowhoso » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:43 pm

my account shows that I own Live 9 standard. however, the price I see for Live 10 standard is $229 USD as an upgrade

what is the real price for Live 10 standard considering i own Live 9 standard?

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by mikb » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:03 am

sowhoso wrote:my account shows that I own Live 9 standard. however, the price I see for Live 10 standard is $229 USD as an upgrade

what is the real price for Live 10 standard considering i own Live 9 standard?
You don't see a crossed-over price a this page in the shop? You need to be logged in.
Basic gear info: Macbook Pro with macOS 10.12, Ableton Live Suite version 9 (64bit) with Ozone, Push and APC20 as controllers.

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by sowhoso » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:44 pm

that's the link for Live 9 pricing and I am always logged in

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by killingtime » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:14 am

[quote]The bony hand of death beckons each of us, and as the reaper sends you into the infinite void he may just comment: "Oh, I see you saved yourself £180, nice, nice. Well, that will come in handy, eh?"
/quote]

:lol:

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by braduro » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:55 pm

USD 239 for upgrade from suite to suite. Got it. And pardon if this has been mentioned before, but could anyone confirm the upgrade price if I buy or register a Push 2 between now and the 10 release? Do I save $40 off that quoted price and pay $199?

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by mikb » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:42 pm

sowhoso wrote:that's the link for Live 9 pricing and I am always logged in
But you didn't answer my question? Is there a cross-over price at that page or not?
Basic gear info: Macbook Pro with macOS 10.12, Ableton Live Suite version 9 (64bit) with Ozone, Push and APC20 as controllers.

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by sowhoso » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:10 pm

from Abelton ppl:

"At the moment, we expect a Live 9 Standard to Live 10 Standard upgrade to cost $229."

8O

that is steep. like buying a new daw

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Stromkraft » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:06 am

sowhoso wrote:from Abelton ppl:

"At the moment, we expect a Live 9 Standard to Live 10 Standard upgrade to cost $229."

8O

that is steep. like buying a new daw
So sell your license and buy a new DAW. I mean why not?
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by sowhoso » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:42 am

go make some music

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Stromkraft » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:06 am

sowhoso wrote:go make some music
I was actually attempting to be constructive. If you actually feel an update is "steep" then you're not forced to upgrade. It's also possible you'd be more happy with another DAW, which I felt you implied, and there's nothing wrong with that choice.

I know we all have different uses of Live and value it differently and different income we can direct at gear. I certainly don't have a lot and I still feel 199€ is not too much to ask. That's just me.

We can all have different views on this and your view as expressed is of course valid. I only ask you to ask yourself what would be the alternative to these prices? How can Ableton make everyone happy with their pricing structure and remain a vital company that moves their product, our tool if we choose it, forward?
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by [jur] » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:46 am

sowhoso wrote:go make some music
Please, don't be rude.
thx
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by sowhoso » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:55 am

had to edit this msg as i see one fan boy defending another.

site admin? really? did Abes start hiring the polizei?

both of you need to go make some music

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