Live 10 upgrade path

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Gregory Wells-King » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:01 am

The new Live 10 is great and has some solid features and speed that make it one of the best music making and music production tools out there again. but at £183 I simply can't find a logical reason to upgrade from Live 9. :|

In fact because I'm a suit owner and MAX is now fully integrated into Live 10 I can't upgrade unless I buy the suit as frankly; despite Wavetable look fab I simply don't need it or the new effects for that matter.
:roll:
When I consider everything I have ever learnt and focused on in music making and production I quickly justify my decision not to upgrade Live at this price, simply for me it's far better at this point to focus with the tools I already have. :idea:

If your new to Live or music production in general and have £500 earmarked for a new DAW then knock yourself out, you won't be disappointed.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by mikb » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:20 pm

Gregory Wells-King wrote: When I consider everything I have ever learnt and focused on in music making and production I quickly justify my decision not to upgrade Live at this price, simply for me it's far better at this point to focus with the tools I already have.
That's always a viable and often wise decision. After all, the point is to make music, not to have new features you don't need or otherwise cannot enjoy.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by William » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:36 pm

I've been a Live user since Live 2. The Live 10 upgrade pricing is positively ridiculous. I simply won't upgrade until it's offered at a significant discount (Black Friday?).

It honestly makes me want to spend more time working with competing companies that don't price gouge their longtime users.

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by mikb » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:46 pm

William wrote:I've been a Live user since Live 2. The Live 10 upgrade pricing is positively ridiculous. I simply won't upgrade until it's offered at a significant discount (Black Friday?).
It's going to be 20% off, just as now. I have multiple friends who say they won't update. They didn't mention the price, but it could be a factor. I think they're just happy with what they got in 9.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by login » Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:57 pm

The earlier you update the more you enjoy the following development, remember we are not just paying for the new features announced but it would be safe to assume more stuff will come in the following years.

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by v00d00ppl » Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:20 pm

Finally preordered. :D

Thanks Ableton for putting out a great piece of kit. I like the new features for my push 2 and drum buss. The overdrive on drum buss and transient control is amazing.

I can't wait to check out the new sample library too.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by wascal » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:25 pm

I've been enjoying the beta but I can't justify dropping £200+ on buying suite again when I already own it. If it was around £100 I would have already pre-ordered my upgrade but £200 for a slightly different version of a product I already own is a non-trivial amount to be spending.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by ian_halsall » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:29 pm

Gregory Wells-King wrote:The new Live 10 is great and has some solid features and speed that make it one of the best music making and music production tools out there again. but at £183 I simply can't find a logical reason to upgrade from Live 9. :|

In fact because I'm a suit owner and MAX is now fully integrated into Live 10 I can't upgrade unless I buy the suit as frankly; despite Wavetable look fab I simply don't need it or the new effects for that matter.
:roll:
When I consider everything I have ever learnt and focused on in music making and production I quickly justify my decision not to upgrade Live at this price, simply for me it's far better at this point to focus with the tools I already have. :idea:

If your new to Live or music production in general and have £500 earmarked for a new DAW then knock yourself out, you won't be disappointed.
:wink:
totally agree

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by daddytang » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:18 pm

ian_halsall wrote:
Gregory Wells-King wrote:The new Live 10 is great and has some solid features and speed that make it one of the best music making and music production tools out there again. but at £183 I simply can't find a logical reason to upgrade from Live 9. :|

In fact because I'm a suit owner and MAX is now fully integrated into Live 10 I can't upgrade unless I buy the suit as frankly; despite Wavetable look fab I simply don't need it or the new effects for that matter.
:roll:
When I consider everything I have ever learnt and focused on in music making and production I quickly justify my decision not to upgrade Live at this price, simply for me it's far better at this point to focus with the tools I already have. :idea:

If your new to Live or music production in general and have £500 earmarked for a new DAW then knock yourself out, you won't be disappointed.
:wink:
totally agree
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Machinesworking » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:18 pm

February 6th for most businesses means midnight of that day, not midnight of the 5th. :x

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Machinesworking » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:46 pm

Oh, and yes it's too dammed expensive. Reaper is proving that you can survive and do even really really well at 7X cheaper.
Live Standard new is $449, Reaper is $60. Latest version of Reaper has MPE, VST3 support, SysEx, and VCA faders to name a few things not in 10. I missed the upgrade "sale" so I think I'm buying Reaper, since new it's 5X cheaper than getting a few new features for Suite.

Reaper is also proving to be a better choice for collaboration, with support for NINJAM, and a price that a drummer or vocalist can afford. getting someone to spend $449 on software for a new project is daunting, $60 is easy. The vocalist I'm working with is picking up a copy too.

What Live has over Reaper at this point is it's simplicity, it's immediate gratification level, and Ableton would do well to figure out how to compete with them on the other fronts, because if Cockos ever hire a UI front end person that knows what they're doing it's going to be brutal. It will make Apples take over of the OSX market space with Logic seem like child's play.

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by subliminal » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:23 pm

I'm afraid I agree that the upgrade price is too steep. I'd not really been paying attention (though I've been using the beta) and it was a bit of a shock when I found out how much it is (for Suite, in my case). I do understand the need to support development of the software, and don't mind paying for updates (though they never seem to come at a good time, financially..), but this just seems a little too much, and the upgrade doesn't seem quite big enough to justify this.

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by the unknown wanderer » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:14 pm

I was Thinking upgrading. Now i am not
I already own Suite 9 and I have upgraded every edition since I bought Live 4 all those years ago. Im afraid Live 9 is where i will have to stay. I had accepted the price of £180 but it seems to have increased to £220 for suite 10. It seems a step too far for me.

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by stringtapper » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:14 pm

the unknown wanderer wrote:I had accepted the price of £180 but it seems to have increased to £220 for suite 10. It seems a step too far for me.
When Ableton announced Live 10 last year they clearly stated that the lower price would be effective from the moment of the announcement until the moment that Live 10 released.

Don't be upset with them just because you didn't pay attention.
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