Live 10 upgrade path

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Noxoreos
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Noxoreos » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:20 am

Here is the shop where I found the 9 Standard to 9 Suite upgrade for 199€ (it's in German). That shop has the same 20% deal on it right now: https://www.elevator.de/ableton-live-9- ... rsion.html

The info about getting a free upgrade to 10 Suite is here (after you logged out): https://www.ableton.com/en/shop/live/

On monday I'm gonna ask my colleague how much he paid for the 9 Standard to 9 Suite upgrade, just to confirm, but if I remember correctly, he got his upgrade for 199€ from within the the Ableton shop, where the free Live 10 upgrade is advertised as well.
I'd say this is normal upgrade policy. Just like buying a new whatever version of 9 right now. The grace period works for all things bought from the moment (minus x days?) the announcement was made.
That doesn't mean it's fair pricing. Why should someone be able to do a "double upgrade" for the same price as others, that are already half way there? There is an option missing in my opinion, because technically you're not buying something new here, but also just upgrading. I would be totally fine for completely new customers to get this special deal but not for upgrades.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Stromkraft » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:18 am

Thanks Noxoreos!
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Tuur » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:30 am

Noxoreos wrote:That doesn't mean it's fair pricing. Why should someone be able to do a "double upgrade" for the same price as others, that are already half way there?
I'm not sure about the use of 'fair' in this context, but I get your point.

I'm also all for an extra 10% in case of Suite upgrades if that's what you're after. :wink:

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Noxoreos » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:55 pm

Tuur wrote:
Noxoreos wrote:That doesn't mean it's fair pricing. Why should someone be able to do a "double upgrade" for the same price as others, that are already half way there?
I'm not sure about the use of 'fair' in this context, but I get your point.

I'm also all for an extra 10% in case of Suite upgrades if that's what you're after. :wink:
Yeah something like that would be nice. Something that balances the "price per upgrade-step" a bit better.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by apcut » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:43 pm

Buy Push now or wait untill Live 10 is out?

I have L9 Suite now but I'm not sure if there's a better bundle price on Push+upgrade to 10 once it's released.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Stromkraft » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:43 pm

apcut wrote:Buy Push now or wait untill Live 10 is out?

I have L9 Suite now but I'm not sure if there's a better bundle price on Push+upgrade to 10 once it's released.

Any thoughts?
There will always be better deals, but now is when to make music.
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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by pinosvalle » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:06 am

If I upgrade from 9 Intro to 9 Suite now... I'll get a free upgrade to Live 10 Suite, ok.

And then... Will I be able to use Live 9 and Live 10 separately with the same license? Will I have different licenses for 9 and 10?

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by apcut » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:42 am

Stromkraft wrote:
apcut wrote:Buy Push now or wait untill Live 10 is out?

I have L9 Suite now but I'm not sure if there's a better bundle price on Push+upgrade to 10 once it's released.

Any thoughts?
There will always be better deals, but now is when to make music.

Sure I won't wait with making music :wink:

But maybe some people here have experience how Ableton priced updates+push purchase in the past?

If i can save 100€ by holding my gas for a Push for 2 months I'll be willing :)

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by chrk » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:51 am

pinosvalle wrote:If I upgrade from 9 Intro to 9 Suite now... I'll get a free upgrade to Live 10 Suite, ok.

And then... Will I be able to use Live 9 and Live 10 separately with the same license? Will I have different licenses for 9 and 10?
The License you use for the upgrade will become integral part of your current license chain. You will be able to use both, but not be able to sell any of them individually.

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by antic604 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:07 pm

apcut wrote:Buy Push now or wait untill Live 10 is out?
That's what I'm wondering about myself, but less in terms of price, but more about if there's risk of Push 3 coming soon?

Considering they've added a lot of new stuff to Push 2 and that there's no new stuff in Live 10 that Push 2 can't take advantage of, I'd think that this 'risk' is pretty slim.

What you guys think?

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Tuur » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:07 pm

I would be very surprised to see Push 3 announced at Loop. But you can always wait a couple of days... ;)

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Tuur » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:29 pm

They did an end-of-year 20% discount on Push 2 last year though. :!:

It started mid November 2016...

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by antic604 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:58 pm

Tuur wrote:I would be very surprised to see Push 3 announced at Loop. But you can always wait a couple of days... ;)
Tuur wrote:They did an end-of-year 20% discount on Push 2 last year though. :!:

It started mid November 2016...
Good points. Thanks! :)

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by G&E » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:48 pm

When I log in to my account and try to pre-order upgrade from Live 9 Suite to Live 10 Suite, it doesn't give a price. It only reads "Your Live 10 license will be available soon" with no price for the upgrade???

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Re: Live 10 upgrade path

Post by Noxoreos » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:23 pm

G&E wrote:When I log in to my account and try to pre-order upgrade from Live 9 Suite to Live 10 Suite, it doesn't give a price. It only reads "Your Live 10 license will be available soon" with no price for the upgrade???
I guess this depends on when you bought 9 Suite. if I go to this page, it shows 199€ as the price (also from 9 Suite to 10 Suite): https://www.ableton.com/en/shop/live-10/
I would be very surprised to see Push 3 announced at Loop.
I don't think that's going to happen, either. Push 1 was around for about 2 years and 9 months before Push 2 was release. And there were quite a few things to improve upon, like the screen being dated already, when it was released. Now Push 2 is out for just two years now and it doesn't have that problem of "looking dated" and has a lot of potential to do even more (as we see with Live 10 upgrade). Just my personal opinion, but I think it'll take at least one or two more years until Push 3 is going to be released. Maybe the new one will even include a touchscreen, and likely with a much higher pixel density, as those are getting cheaper every year.
I'd wish for some kind of integration of the timeline view as well. NI seems to go into that direction lately. As does Cubase with their app.
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