FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

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FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by nek4life » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:12 pm

Not sure if this is a bug on Ableton's side or Native Instrument's side, but when I run FM8 using the following patch playing C1 in 32-bit vs 64-bit sounds complete different. If I transpose the note to C2 in 64-bit mode it sounds closer but I don't think it's quite the same.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/11204/Drone%20Bass%20Stab.nfm8

I'd love to start using the 64-bit version on a daily basis, but this is kind of a deal breaker for me right now.

Thanks!

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MacPro 3.2ghz, OS X 10.7.4, Ableton 8.4b3, FM8 1.2.0 (R1016)

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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by taoyoyo » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:50 pm

Are you loading the FM8 patch fresh onto a 64bit Live session or are you opening a saved 32 bit session into 64bit?

(I ask because there have been some issues with some parameters not being kept/remembered with FM8 patches when reopening saved projects in some DAWs).
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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by nek4life » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:12 am

taoyoyo wrote:Are you loading the FM8 patch fresh onto a 64bit Live session or are you opening a saved 32 bit session into 64bit?
Just tried opening an fresh project in the Beta based on your suggestion and I get the same result. Definitely a bizarre behavior.

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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by taoyoyo » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:41 am

Ah well, definitely worth asking. :)

I tried your patch and can confirm the same behavior... FM8 plays an octave lower in 64bit.

Same OSX/version specs as you, except using a MBP.
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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by doom_Oo7 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:34 pm

Did anyone test this in another 32 / 64 capable daw like S1 ?
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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by nek4life » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:42 pm

doom_Oo7 wrote:Did anyone test this in another 32 / 64 capable daw like S1 ?
I don't have another DAW, but that would tell us if it's Ableton or FM8

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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by taoyoyo » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:09 pm

I can test in S1. Will post the results later.
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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by [mal] » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:42 pm

Hi,

We reproduced this problem on both windows and osx. We will investigate if we can do anything on the Live side, but I doubt it.

Best,
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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by h4nc0 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:51 pm

ouch.

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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by taoyoyo » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:52 pm

Managed to reproduce this behavior in Studio One.

Looks like an NI/FM8 issue.
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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by doom_Oo7 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:28 am

I just don't understand how it is possible when porting from 32 to 64 bit to loose an octave xD
I mean, it's a matter of changing ints to long longs and allocating bigger page sizes, aint'it ?
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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by TabSel » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:26 am

doom_Oo7 wrote:...aint'it ?
no

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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by doom_Oo7 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:41 am

What then ?
EDIT : quote from MSDN :
Porting your code to compile for both 32- and 64-bit Microsoft Windows is straightforward. You need only follow a few simple rules about casting pointers, and use the new data types in your code. The rules for pointer manipulation are as follows.
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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by marcoskohler » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:55 pm

I'd be interested to know as well.

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Re: FM8 64-bit sounds different than 32-bit

Post by Angstrom » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:13 pm

edited because ... internet

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