Push - 'Grouped' track and clip indicators

[Panoramica]

Hi,

Just putting my new Push controller through its paces.

Some feedback about 'group' tracks and clips:

// Group tracks

There doesn't appear to be any indication that a track is a (collapsed) group which contains other tracks.

I can expand the group by holding down the track selection button, but unless I look at the monitor, there is no way to know that the track is a group.

Therefore I suggest changing the LCD readout from 'Track Selection: GROUPNAME' to 'Track Selection: GROUPNAME (Group)'

// Clips in group tracks

An ongoing Live annoyance for me is that Group clips can't be named.

Push appears to have similar quirks:

- stopped group clips do not appear on the controller
- there is no stop button below the track selector for grouped tracks that contain playing group clips
- holding down Select and selecting a playing group clip shows 'Clip Selection: [empty slot]'. This would be better as 'Clip Selection: [group clip]'

Thanks,
Dan

[Pitch Black]

I agree, I would like Group Tracks clip slots to show some indication that they are indeed populated with clips from inside the Group.

At the moment, Group track slots on the Push grid appear blank.

Group track clip slots that will play their contained clips should be lit on Push IN SOME WAY at least, analogous the cross-hatching in the Live GUI.

You could go for a colour variation, but I'd just be happy for a solid LED, showing that there was something there.

[bosonHavoc]

yes any word on group track clip slots showing up on push?
downloading .o4 update now.. i didn't see it in the release notes
kind of key to my live set if I want to use push for clip launching.
I wasn't considering that use push in that way for performance but the big 8x8 plus scene launch is kind of awesome.

[Panoramica]

yes any word on group track clip slots showing up on push?
downloading .o4 update now.. i didn't see it in the release notes .

I contacted support on 21.04.2013 and they replied shortly after that "The Push developers are aware of this behaviour. I will be sure to contact the team again to let them know that you asked about it."

While they were polite and courteous, I got the impression that I was nagging and my request was on a very long TODO list, probably somewhere near the bottom.

kind of key to my live set if I want to use push for clip launching
I wasn't considering that use push in that way for performance but the big 8x8 plus scene launch is kind of awesome.

My feeling is that Push is being marketed as a 'creative instrument' first and foremost so workflow fixes and improvements that aid in the device living up to those expectations are always going to come before fixes that would make it a great pad/performance controller. Which is a shame because I also have lots of existing sets that make heavy use of groups and which I would really love to play with such a sexy, hands-on pad controller. Even knowing this, I hold a candle of hope that once the marketing department have had their pound of flesh the software developers will still have enough enthusiasm left to start ticking off some of the other bugs that are holding the device back from pad controller nirvana.

Cheers,
Dan

[bosonHavoc]

thanks for the info..

i am actually using my Quneo for clip launch and effects and the push as an instrument.
but i kind of really dig the big 8x8 grid on the push for clip launch.
so i was thinking of changing it up.

I was debating the push for live use because it is not totally
suited for live performing. even though it is a great live tool.
my thought would always fall back on.. it is smaller than a keyboard and i can play it better lol

[chroos]

i made a patch for MIDI Remote Scripts to show LED Feedback in grouped tracks, feel free to try it out:


you have to copy ClipSlotComponent.py to the _Framework folder inside the Remote Scripts.
make shure to backup the old ClipSlotComponent.pyc

https://github.com/tentacleBuffet/Ablet ... mponent.py

[Panoramica]

Good stuff! Thanks chroos, this is my #1 missing feature so your post was a really nice start to my Tuesday

Group LED feedback is working well now thanks.

One small thing: when Push's is in Session mode, and the 'Stop' button is lit, playing non-group clips display a red stop button at the top of their channel. Is it possible to replicate this with your Groups patch?

Thanks again,
Dan

[dominique999]

i made a patch for MIDI Remote Scripts to show LED Feedback in grouped tracks, feel free to try it out:


you have to copy ClipSlotComponent.py to the _Framework folder inside the Remote Scripts.
make shure to backup the old ClipSlotComponent.pyc

https://github.com/tentacleBuffet/Ablet ... mponent.py

Hi,

i try your patch but after copied and restart live, no link is established with push and push is light off...
any idea ?

thank's

[Tarekith]

Make sure you're using Live 9.05.

[Panoramica]

Hi dominique999,

I'm not sure if you've used github before, if not please check that you clicked the 'raw' button before saving the script down to your computer.

Cheers,
Dan

[chroos]

Panoramica:

Thanks for your feedback! I will try to implement this feature.. I guess it can be done by simulating an actual clip inside the grouped track - maybe only some isPlaying property

dominique999:

I guess you use the wrong live version. there should be a logfile in your ableton directory. you have to delete it, restart ableton and then there should be some information, what really happened.
maybe you can provide that error description.. I think the framework changed in the last live update.

[willdahbe]

i made a patch for MIDI Remote Scripts to show LED Feedback in grouped tracks, feel free to try it out:


you have to copy ClipSlotComponent.py to the _Framework folder inside the Remote Scripts.
make shure to backup the old ClipSlotComponent.pyc

https://github.com/tentacleBuffet/Ablet ... mponent.py

Holy shit, you are awesome!

[chroos]

thanks

All changes for grouped tracks are now in this file, so the original _Framework can be restored

https://github.com/tentacleBuffet/Ablet ... mponent.py

This should do the StopButton trick

---- edit:

this is only working for unfolded groups, when folded you have to push right-left or up-down to get the stop buttons updated. im searching for some event i can use to trigger an update.

[dschroeter]

Oh, my. I never knew how much I would love grouping tracks on the Push until I learned I can't!

I've been setting up my sets as 8x8 clip grids per song, and I realized how great it would be to group tracks because, folded, they would allow me to switch presets, instruments or even from MIDI to audio on the same column of buttons.

Then I learned that this can't be done. Why in the heck wouldn't the Push just default to showing grouped clips as the color of the group??

The .pyc is great but doesn't work for me when folded. Please, Ableton, add this simple functionality!

[chroos]

When folded you have to move inside the grid to get it updated. i already have an idea to fix this, but no time to implement it actually