Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
Has anyone heard of a way to do this while in Note/Scale mode? The mod wheel is extremely important to have control over, hopefully Ableton opens up a way to do this.
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Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
I believe Ableton is under the impression that no one uses VST synths anymore. And that we would be happy with the stock browsing experience with zero desire to customize categories, preview sounds, use third party libraries or scan through our VST plugs without having to put them in a rack first.
At the moment, there is no way to utilize the touchstrip as a modwheel without either editing the python scrips or mapping it in user mode. Hopefully Ableton will add a user pref in the future that will let us switch the touch strips functionality on the fly.
On some synths, like Sylenth, you can click "configure" and then spin the mod wheel on it's VST dialog to get this paramater to show up as accessible in Live. After, you can simply click the Device button on your Push and use the first encorder to access the modwheel.
On other Synths, like Diva, modwheel does not appear to a VST paramater. The temporary solution I'm using is to drop a simple M4L midi device that has a modwheel knob and buttons to inc/dec programs & banks. I then select this M4L device in Push to access the modewheel and switch VST patches.
The Push dev kit from Florian (viewtopic.php?f=55&t=192084A) looks like a very promising solutions for dynamically repurposing the Touchslider. Max for Live lets you temporarily override specific portions of Push's functionality and the dev kit makes this dead simple. Unfortunately the current rev is unable to write back values to the Touch-encoder and update the LED display. This is important to be able to use it as a modwheel. He is looking for a solution and once this is enabled, it should be easy to make an M4L midi device that could take control of the touchstrip on a per track basis and switch it to a modwheel. This would be an optimum solution as you could add this device to any Racks you've created for your VST.
At the moment, there is no way to utilize the touchstrip as a modwheel without either editing the python scrips or mapping it in user mode. Hopefully Ableton will add a user pref in the future that will let us switch the touch strips functionality on the fly.
On some synths, like Sylenth, you can click "configure" and then spin the mod wheel on it's VST dialog to get this paramater to show up as accessible in Live. After, you can simply click the Device button on your Push and use the first encorder to access the modwheel.
On other Synths, like Diva, modwheel does not appear to a VST paramater. The temporary solution I'm using is to drop a simple M4L midi device that has a modwheel knob and buttons to inc/dec programs & banks. I then select this M4L device in Push to access the modewheel and switch VST patches.
The Push dev kit from Florian (viewtopic.php?f=55&t=192084A) looks like a very promising solutions for dynamically repurposing the Touchslider. Max for Live lets you temporarily override specific portions of Push's functionality and the dev kit makes this dead simple. Unfortunately the current rev is unable to write back values to the Touch-encoder and update the LED display. This is important to be able to use it as a modwheel. He is looking for a solution and once this is enabled, it should be easy to make an M4L midi device that could take control of the touchstrip on a per track basis and switch it to a modwheel. This would be an optimum solution as you could add this device to any Racks you've created for your VST.
Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
featherodd wrote:....once this is enabled, it should be easy to make an M4L midi device that could take control of the touchstrip on a per track basis and switch it to a modwheel. This would be an optimum solution as you could add this device to any Racks you've created for your VST.
Thanks for the info...this sounds very promising. In the mean time I guess I'll make due somehow. Thanks again.
Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
Can you please tell me a working patch for Program Changes in Live 64Bit? All the devices in the MaxForLive site does not work, and I don't know what to do because there are no errors in the debuc window!featherodd wrote: On other Synths, like Diva, modwheel does not appear to a VST paramater. The temporary solution I'm using is to drop a simple M4L midi device that has a modwheel knob and buttons to inc/dec programs & banks. I then select this M4L device in Push to access the modewheel and switch VST patches.
Thanks,
Mauro.
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Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
Here's is the M4L device I cobbled together from Jürgen Moßgraber's Program Change patch by simply adding a Modwheel knob (cc1):mauronedj wrote:Can you please tell me a working patch for Program Changes in Live 64Bit? All the devices in the MaxForLive site does not work, and I don't know what to do because there are no errors in the debuc window!
Thanks,
Mauro.
http://rawcanvas.com/_/DialToProgramChange.amxd
I'm using the 32-bit version of Live. No idea if it run in the 64-bit version.
Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
Sorry but I must do something wrong.featherodd wrote:Here's is the M4L device I cobbled together from Jürgen Moßgraber's Program Change patch by simply adding a Modwheel knob (cc1):mauronedj wrote:Can you please tell me a working patch for Program Changes in Live 64Bit? All the devices in the MaxForLive site does not work, and I don't know what to do because there are no errors in the debuc window!
Thanks,
Mauro.
http://rawcanvas.com/_/DialToProgramChange.amxd
I'm using the 32-bit version of Live. No idea if it run in the 64-bit version.
I put the Device at the left of a VST (like DIVA) than move the knob, that's all right?
I'm trying it right now but the program does not change!
Could you help me?
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Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
Well, it depends on the VST, if it accepts program change messages. From DIVA's manual:
Have you set up Diva like this?MIDI Programs folder
Local
also contains a special folder called
MIDI Programs
, which is initially empty. If you put a
bunch of patches (up to 128) in there, they are all loaded each time Diva starts.
Individual patches are selected via MIDI program change messages. As they are accessed in
alphabetical order, it is a good idea to put a number at the beginning of each name e.g. ‘000
rest-of-name’ to ‘127 rest-of-name’ or similar.
Banks: The MIDI Programs folder can contain up to 128 sub-folders (of 128 patches each), and
these are switchable via MIDI bank select messages
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Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
Goto the patches section in Diva. Any patches that you add to the MIDI Programs sub group will be selectable via midi program change messages. Patches are listed alphabetical so the first patch will be 00, second 01, and so on. After adding and organizing your patches in the MIDI Programs sub group, you will need to remove and re-add Diva for this to take effect. The preset drop down list will also be populated with these patches in Live. Most of this is also explained in the Diva manual.mauronedj wrote:Sorry but I must do something wrong.
I put the Device at the left of a VST (like DIVA) than move the knob, that's all right?
I'm trying it right now but the program does not change!
Could you help me?
Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
Thanks man, My fault, I was thinking that Diva changes the patch in the Root directory!
Thanks for the patch,
Mauro.
Thanks for the patch,
Mauro.
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Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
No prob.mauronedj wrote:Thanks man, My fault, I was thinking that Diva changes the patch in the Root directory!
Thanks for the patch,
Mauro.
Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
Here's a simple M4L device I was using tonight to use the pitch bend strip as mod wheel for DIVA:
(just paste that into a new M4L MIDI effect in front of DIVA or any instrument)
Problem is, the pitch bend wheel resets to the center as soon as you let go. This works ok with some presets, where maybe you want the filter half-open most of the time, and you can open it or close it by sliding up or down. But I think for mod wheel it would be better if it stayed where you lift your finger, just like a regular mod wheel on a keyboard. One way to do this might be to ignore pitch bend value 64 (the center pitch bend value that Push sends when you lift your finger), but then the lights on the Push would be misleading.
I've also thought of having it send one MIDI CC control value when you slide upwards from the center, and a different CC when you slide down. That might have some interesting possibilities.
But really, I wish the Push could just have a "mod wheel mode" under the user settings.
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Problem is, the pitch bend wheel resets to the center as soon as you let go. This works ok with some presets, where maybe you want the filter half-open most of the time, and you can open it or close it by sliding up or down. But I think for mod wheel it would be better if it stayed where you lift your finger, just like a regular mod wheel on a keyboard. One way to do this might be to ignore pitch bend value 64 (the center pitch bend value that Push sends when you lift your finger), but then the lights on the Push would be misleading.
I've also thought of having it send one MIDI CC control value when you slide upwards from the center, and a different CC when you slide down. That might have some interesting possibilities.
But really, I wish the Push could just have a "mod wheel mode" under the user settings.
Adam Murray
Live 9 + Push on OS X 10.10
Live 9 + Push on OS X 10.10
Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
Me too. This seems to be a 'no brainer,' as they say.I wish the Push could just have a "mod wheel mode" under the user settings.
Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
Yes sir....hopefully Abes will add this....While I think it awesome that folks love to change the scripts and programing in Ableton to make this sort of thing work for Push, I'm not into going into Ableton and doing all that, I just want to make music.philipc wrote:Me too. This seems to be a 'no brainer,' as they say.I wish the Push could just have a "mod wheel mode" under the user settings.
Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
+1
I rather am using the mod wheel, and seldomly the pitch bend.
I rather am using the mod wheel, and seldomly the pitch bend.
Re: Using the Touch Strip to control Mod wheel in a synth?
i agree it seems like touch strip midi mapping should be part of push setup screen (if it is not already)
check box: map push touch strip to
drop down:
pitch bend
mod wheel
cc
then for cc a text box to type in the cc value
check box: map push touch strip to
drop down:
pitch bend
mod wheel
cc
then for cc a text box to type in the cc value