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Fold Melodic Step Sequencer/Elektron-style "trigs"?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:27 pm
by recyclinglostcities
So I've had my Push 2 for just under a month now, and I absolutely love it and it has completely changed my workflow. After spending the last 4 years or so working pretty exclusively with hardware, with the core of my setup controlled by various Elektron sequencers, Push 2 feels incredibly familiar in most ways, and I'm seriously debating selling off all of my pre-Overbridge Elektron gear and doing all of my sequencing via Live/Push.

However, one thing that drives me mad is trying to find notes across the melodic step sequencer, especially lower velocity notes that can appear very faint on the pads, and it makes me long for the simplicity of just holding a single step and making adjustments, such as Elektron's "trig" system. Is there any way this can be done, either natively or via M4L or third party scripting? Alternatively, being able to fold the melodic step sequencer would at least eliminate the hassle of scrolling all over Push just to find the note or step you wish you alter, but from what I can tell from googling this is not possible yet.

If there's no way to accomplish these ideas as of yet, anyone have some tips for being more efficient with the melodic step sequencer? I find myself reverting back to the mouse and keyboard too often out of frustration, and it takes me out of things a bit.

Re: Fold Melodic Step Sequencer/Elektron-style "trigs"?

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:33 pm
by djadonis206
Thumbs up - great idea

Re: Fold Melodic Step Sequencer/Elektron-style "trigs"?

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:45 pm
by molefonken
Folding melodic steps sounds great,
Thumbs up!

Re: Fold Melodic Step Sequencer/Elektron-style "trigs"?

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:52 am
by irrelevance
I think the screen should be utilized to show midi notes on a piano roll grid with encoders providing note level parameter adjustment note length, veloc, nudge, pitch, scroll etc. Using the pads to access note location now is less appealing with the screen potential for quick note overview and selection.

Re: Fold Melodic Step Sequencer/Elektron-style "trigs"?

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:31 am
by Jbvdb
irrelevance wrote:I think the screen should be utilized to show midi notes on a piano roll grid with encoders providing note level parameter adjustment note length, veloc, nudge, pitch, scroll etc. Using the pads to access note location now is less appealing with the screen potential for quick note overview and selection.
This would be amazing! But I am afraid the screen would be too small!
Actually maybe not its bigger than an mpc 1000 if I remember correctly

Re: Fold Melodic Step Sequencer/Elektron-style "trigs"?

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:06 pm
by irrelevance
Tarekith gave the heads up on this:

http://sigabort.co/p2d_products.html

Well I'm excited 8)

Re: Fold Melodic Step Sequencer/Elektron-style "trigs"?

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:04 am
by recyclinglostcities
Bumping this, as it hasn't yet been answered. I'm assuming none of these ideas are currently implemented. So...anyone know if they could be added via a third party, or how effective it might be to bug Ableton about it?

Re: Fold Melodic Step Sequencer/Elektron-style "trigs"?

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:30 am
by Sarrova-Q
Yes please!!!

Re: Fold Melodic Step Sequencer/Elektron-style "trigs"?

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:13 pm
by bwax
+1

I would love to see some alternative ways to step sequence melodic ideas, and ones similar to Elektron machines.

Basically, just input melodic steps similarly to sequencing steps for a drumrack. Then, to change pitch/note, hold down the note/pad and twist a knob to find the desired pitch. Like on Elektron machines.

Would be so much faster than scrolling all over the grid using Page/Octave arrows.

Please Ableton!

Re: Fold Melodic Step Sequencer/Elektron-style "trigs"?

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:52 pm
by grimleyj
+1

Re: Fold Melodic Step Sequencer/Elektron-style "trigs"?

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:51 pm
by Sarrova-Q
Another +1

My opinion for it:

ENCODERS (5 part polyphonic sequencing)
Encoder 1: Pitch 1
Encoder 2: Pitch 2
Encoder 3: Pitch 3
Encoder 4: Pitch 4
Encoder 5: Pitch 5
Encoder 6: Length
Encoder 7: Nudge
Encoder 8: Velocity

PADS:
The two top rows are the 16 steps for the sequencer, pressing a pad inputs a step.
(You can duplicate steps with Push's duplicate button. This copy's all the midi note data as well as the automation currently active for that step.)
The pad rows beneath that represent a keyboard, with dedicated buttons for octave up / down, slide, length, velocity and step sequencer length + pages (if using 32 or 64 steps for example). Of course, you should also be able to copy and paste a whole page.

Manual input: select a note (pitch), length, octave and velocity. The next pad from the top row pads (16 steps) you press becomes that selection. Push remembers the last edited selection so you don't need to enter the velocity / length every time again.

Step record mode: press a "step record" button, and the next notes you input from push or a keyboard become steps 1, 2, 3, ...

A separate (toggle) button lets you go into edit mode: now the sequencer pads become a selection area, when pressing a pad selects a step. You can quickly change the corresponding macro's with the encoders now.

So yeah, looks a lot like the Elektrons :)

Re: Fold Melodic Step Sequencer/Elektron-style "trigs"?

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:24 am
by Stromkraft
What about this design Kepler-16? Requires MFL.

Re: Fold Melodic Step Sequencer/Elektron-style "trigs"?

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:18 am
by feytus
Any updates on this? Step sequencing on Push 2 is a bit finicky!