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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:35 am 

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Push 3 will be released in late 2018 and it will have standalone capability as well as normal USB integration with a computer. The standalone will only run a limited amount of audio/midi tracks along with a limited amount of Ableton Live only plugins.


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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:38 am 

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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:03 pm 

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You will be able to use it as a audio interface with stereo inputs and outputs running at max 96khz sample rate. Midi in/out.


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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:32 pm 

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Still fake and wont happen for couple years yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:31 pm 

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Actually Trevbo is our new Ableton Push Communications Director and is trying to announce our new product, Push 3.5. Why is no one believing him?

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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:41 am 

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It will be release in late 2017. I'll check back here in November. Peace and happy music making.


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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:12 am 

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Trevbo wrote:
It will be release in late 2017. I'll check back here in November. Peace and happy music making.


Yeah right. Best go back in time where you came from then because you missed that boat.

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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:59 pm 

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jestermgee wrote:
Trevbo wrote:
It will be release in late 2017. I'll check back here in November. Peace and happy music making.


Yeah right. Best go back in time where you came from then because you missed that boat.



ahhh, Jestermgee, your reputation of a sad hater precedes you. You have a very low IQ for sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:56 pm 

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Please read the community guidelines at the top of each forum, we don’t allow insulting other forum members here.

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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:37 pm 

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Trevbo wrote:
jestermgee wrote:
Trevbo wrote:
It will be release in late 2017. I'll check back here in November. Peace and happy music making.


Yeah right. Best go back in time where you came from then because you missed that boat.



ahhh, Jestermgee, your reputation of a sad hater precedes you. You have a very low IQ for sure.


:lol:

Right in the feels. You seem to know me so well and articulate your thoughts with such finesse. Guess we will see you back here in November of last year.

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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:37 pm 
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Ok, everyone has share his little rant. Can we stop now so we don't need to lock the thread?
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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:20 pm 

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I agree with the 4-5 years lifecycle mentioned here, that's pretty much what I think - so late 2018 or 2019 - and I'm pretty sure they are already working on it because it takes time to innovate and design / prototype this kind of product.
I've owned Push 1 & 2, but finally got back to Maschine (MK3). I wish I still had the Push 2, because it was a lot of fun but I had to choose between one or the other, and from a creation perspective Maschine looked more "integrated".

What would really make me go back to Push :
  • no external power supply needed at all - for now, pads or screens or too dimmed for me - or at least a lot more lights when unplugged (Maschine MK3 is impressive on this aspect)
  • even bigger screens
  • a way to prepare a song structure in the arrangement view, i.e. adding scenes to arrangement directly (without having to perform the recording in realtime)
  • an integrated MIDI arpeggiator - I like to record individual midi notes from the arp so right now I need to set up 2 tracks, one with the arp etc... Having the arp directly available would really simplify my life. Actually I don't even understand why the "Repeat" button is just repeating the last note played. It could be an integrated arp by pressing SHIFT+REPEAT to lock it and access different parameters on the screens (style, rate, octaves etc... no need to reinvent the wheel it's already there through the arp device)
  • more a Live feature but the ability to structure VST parameters by pages and rename parameters is really necessary ("cutoff" instead of a cryptic "OSC1FLTCTF" from the VST developer). The way Ableton does with its own devices where everything is correctly labeled and gathered, but extended to third parties VST.
  • an integrated audio and MIDI interface - nothing huge but at least 2 lines in, 1 XLR mic, 1 MIDI IN, 2 MIDI OUT, 2 lines out, 1 headphone for portable / live recordings

As I've just upgraded to Live 10 Suite, a Push 3 with these features would be a no-brainer AT ALL.
I'm waiting :D


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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 6:27 am 

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Your arpeggiator idea is genius and I now remember that I actually was surprised that it didn't work like that the first time I used it. The repeat functionality just never felt "right" to me, and now I understand that that is the reason why.

I'm not interested in, and won't pay extra for, standalone functionality because I don't need to pay more for hardware that will be completely obsolete in a couple of years. Also there's no chance of a standalone device having the power to run VSTs, etc. A laptop is fine thanks. Push 2 is expensive enough as it is.

I would like some kind of patch changing functionality to be implemented for VSTs, it's ridiculous that you have to use the mouse to change patches in some VSTs. I am aware of MIDI Program Change messages but it's pretty clunky. I should be able to record a clip and have it linked to the patch I recorded it with, without mucking around and adding another device just to send Program Changes. Probably would need Ableton to propose some kind of standard way for VSTs to handle this.

Also the parameter names should be editable like you suggest.

Integrated audio in/out would be cool but not essential. Also I doubt it would be possible to provide 48V phantom power for mics using only USB.

Also on my wishlist:

Some assignable buttons
Crossfader (with user-replaceable fader for when it inevitably breaks)
Adjustable sensitivity for knobs - why isn't this already a thing?


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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 7:21 am 

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The obvious "Push 3" is the Akai MPC Live, ain't it? Given you can hack it, install Windows, or better yet just the sufficient Windows API emulations, to run Live with your own OS hooks to control it. It'll probably just take few years of full-time work.

One of my collaborators that got me hooked on Live now uses the MPC Live exclusively. I like Live too much to follow.

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 Post subject: Re: Push 3
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 5:55 pm 

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blof_eld wrote:
Your arpeggiator idea is genius and I now remember that I actually was surprised that it didn't work like that the first time I used it. The repeat functionality just never felt "right" to me, and now I understand that that is the reason why.

I'm not interested in, and won't pay extra for, standalone functionality because I don't need to pay more for hardware that will be completely obsolete in a couple of years. Also there's no chance of a standalone device having the power to run VSTs, etc. A laptop is fine thanks. Push 2 is expensive enough as it is.

I would like some kind of patch changing functionality to be implemented for VSTs, it's ridiculous that you have to use the mouse to change patches in some VSTs. I am aware of MIDI Program Change messages but it's pretty clunky. I should be able to record a clip and have it linked to the patch I recorded it with, without mucking around and adding another device just to send Program Changes. Probably would need Ableton to propose some kind of standard way for VSTs to handle this.

Also the parameter names should be editable like you suggest.

Integrated audio in/out would be cool but not essential. Also I doubt it would be possible to provide 48V phantom power for mics using only USB.

Also on my wishlist:

Some assignable buttons
Crossfader (with user-replaceable fader for when it inevitably breaks)
Adjustable sensitivity for knobs - why isn't this already a thing?



Don't count on having any kind of control over VST presets, the problem is quite complicated, the VST standard does allow the DAW to see presets but many developers don't implement their preset system the way it is specified, many use their own system so it is very complicated to implement any solution from the DAW.

I don't think even the Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol which gives access to the plugin browsers has the ability to automate preset changes.


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