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Hi all, it's been a looong time since I used my Push 1 (due to life reasons) but I dug it out from storage recently with excitement and installed the latest release version of Live 9.

It's still such an excellent tool (despite a little stickiness on the black parts due to being in storage for so long) but a lot of the exciting new workflow enhancements I've seen in Push 2 videos seem missing e.g. sampling and converting to drum rack with transients etc.

Do I need to upgrade to Live 10 to get the new sampling workflow on Push 1 or has it been neglected completely?

My presumption is that they didn't want to include enhanced sampling workflow on Push 1 to force people to buy their new hardware if they want it.

There is absolutely no reason that Push2 sampling workflow can't be included on Push 1. Pretty disappointing from such a modern company as Ableton if this is the case.

There's a reason actually: the screen, which sampling and Simpler heavily rely on.

If yes then happy days, of not then why not?

p.s. I asked this in the Push forum section but it seems pretty dead in there.

no, you cannot see the waveform on your PUSH 1

and because of that, Push1 is not usefull on croping, pasting
reversing samples with it. You rely on your PC-Screen doing that.

It was actually answered by an Ableton moderator with the same answer as ^^:

There's a reason actually: the screen, which sampling and Simpler heavily rely on.

Topics merged.
Yes I did answer, and with have dedicated sub-forums so please stick to this simple structure.

Thankyou for the answers guys and sorry for taking it to the main forum (reason being there were hardly any views in the v.quiet Push section)

The screen on the Push2 is not what I meant by the Sampling workflow. You have the Sample expand button in Simpler which gives you a far bigger view of your sample on your computer monitor than the tiny Push2 screen could ever give you.

The sampling workflow I'm talking about is the ability to capture a sample, convert to Simpler and change from Classic to Slice mode all from the Push controller. I have been pushing every button I can think of that could show me this ability on the Push1 to no avail. I even dug out the old PXT-Live Plus scripts to see if there was an answer there. No dice.

Seems like Ableton deliberately omitted this (easy to implement on their part) function on Push1 to force people to upgrade their hardware. Shame on them; they did not believe their hardware was a good enough upgrade on it's own without hobbling Push1.

I'm complaining because this seems like quite a cynical move on behalf of Ableton.

I would like to know the answers to these questions as well... can anyone help? Thanks!

I found this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPKV8zTj0AA

Watch from 3:30 on.

At least you can adjust start and end points of a sample as well as sample length, choose between modes in Simpler, edit sensitivity, access the warp modes etc. Not the full P2 workflow but it's something

Thank you very much! That video answered my question, for sure. So yes, it is doable. So many have debated this... said it was only possible on Push 2. It's possible in this video, at 4:18. You can see the full Start and Sample End points (first two encoders), as well as the Sample Start and Lengths, and Loop Length!

The presenter himself said that this wasn't possible on Push 1, right before he shows that stuff on the screen. Talk about misguided info! It's clear that you can do it. Nice to know, especially considering the very affordable used price of Push 1.