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Push 2 - How extensively do you use it?

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:06 pm
by dominicw78
I've just finally purchased Push 2, after many years of resisting, mainly for live performance and live jam etc. Now I'm wondering to what level I should attempt to incorporate it into my day to day production and song writing.

Interested to hear if many people have strictly forced themselves to use Push for all capacities it can and only resort to mouse or arrangement with they absolutely have to, is this a worthwhile endeavour? Does it end up being faster / more enjoyable? I can imagine this might take sometime, so I wonder when and where I should use it.

On the other hand I feel like if I don't spend the time to learn every part of it back to front and always use it as my first impulse that it could easily be under appreciated.

I certainly seen my fair share of pushes just sitting about in a studio not really being utilised. Interested people thoughts and how frequently they use their push.

Re: Push 2 - How extensively do you use it?

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:46 pm
by jestermgee
Push for me is basically used for the following tasks:

- Drum sequencing
- Device control (adjusting effects mainly)
- Performing a session to arrangement

When I first got Push 1 I attempted to use it for everything including loading devices, switching presets etc. I ran into too many limitations (can't load channel strips for a start) and bottlenecks and decided it was faster to do some things using mouse/keyboard and playing melodies for the most part was just more intuitive to me on a keyboard. But drums are excelent on Push and the sequencer is very easy to work with.

I probably really only use it 30% of my tasks and could easily do away with it if I needed the space. My main tool is my Komplete Kontrol keyboard as it is far better to use with VSTs than Push... Push and Live are just clunky when it comes to plugin control simply because parameters cannot be renamed.

Re: Push 2 - How extensively do you use it?

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:14 pm
by dominicw78
OK that's interesting to hear your experience and in some ways does sound similar to how I have envisioned push to be. However in my case my primary interest in for live performance and free form jam etc so it's not so important to incorporate into day to day producing, however I was wondering if I should try to.

But I'm fortunate enough space to have a performance station and also a production station so perhaps I'll situate the push over in my performance station to start with and trip over there to use it that way rather than start it at my hub. In which case I'd need to move my midi keyboard and I really do like having a keyboard right out in front of me for production.

But there's that consideration that the faster way to master the push would be to have it right in front so I'm always using it...

Re: Push 2 - How extensively do you use it?

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:35 am
by miyaru
I use my Push2 for writing and performing, and also to transfer session to arrangement, and to mix down the tracks.....

So basicly for everything :mrgreen:

I switched from 20 yrs+ of Cubase to Live Suite because of Push2. I saw it in a Youtube movie and a month later I made the switch.

Re: Push 2 - How extensively do you use it?

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:29 pm
by Tarekith
For me it's mostly about sketching out ideas early on in the process, finding sounds that work well together and playing them to create a groove I like. Once I get to the arranging or mixing phase, I switch to the laptop though as I just find it easier to use the mouse/trackpad for the detailed stuff.

Re: Push 2 - How extensively do you use it?

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:38 pm
by Valiumdupeuple
And you can also use it extensively in Arrangement if you have M4L, using this device.

Re: Push 2 - How extensively do you use it?

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:01 pm
by dominicw78
Valiumdupeuple wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:38 pm
And you can also use it extensively in Arrangement if you have M4L, using this device.
This looks great!

Re: Push 2 - How extensively do you use it?

Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:30 pm
by ShelLuser
To me Push = Live and vice versa... I only got it a few weeks after I 'upgraded' my APC40 but I'm already pretty much hooked on it. I mainly use my Push in my home studio but... yeah, I think it's great for what it can do.

My main usage involves session control (as with the APC40), percussion and experimentation (sound design (= device tweaking) and goofing around recording clips). Basically I use Push whenever I use Live, to me it's really the extension I wanted to focus more on playing & experimentation rather than mucking around within Live.

As the previous poster I definitely don't consider Push to be a full replacement for the regular keyboard/mouse combo. For example: good luck setting up an instrument or effect rack with Push ;) While you can select multiple chains you can't add those (nor any devices).

Personally I don't think you should consider it a requirement to learn all that's to know about Push. Sure it can help but.... most functions should be pretty self-explaining I think (session button, clip button, mix button, etc.), I think it might be a better approach to try and see if you can do things easier or different with Push.

For example.... playing on Push is a game changer for me. It really takes getting used to, especially since I'm very used to playing a keyboard, but because it's so different it somehow also allows me to "think outside the box" if you know what I mean. I learned some basic keyboard techniques like chords and such. It's good, but somehow I can't help but always fall back onto that. Push allows me to experiment more. I can make chords, but I don't necessarily approach them as "Oh, that's c3" but more so focus on its sound. And that has a very positive effect on me, especially with experimentation (like trying to come up with melodies and such).

And in some offtopic banter... I can't wait for Reason 11 which will introduce a "rack VST". Reason is my preferred tool for sound design (it's a long story) and with the Reason VST it should become easier to play with the Kong drum designer using the Push in "drum rack mode". This is a bit tricky right now (though I'm looking for a way to enforce things using Max for Live).

Anyway, that's my story. What I love most is being able to play (and optionally record) notes, then simply keep the session or mix key pressed and I can make some quick changes after which I release said button and I'm back to playing again. This even allows me to quickly remove clips I no longer want.

Push really helps me to re-discover Live all over again.

Re: Push 2 - How extensively do you use it?

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:32 am
by Machinesworking
Push 2 with Live 10 came alive for sure, I use Push 2 a lot for Reaper as well.

I don't use the pads for notes that often I'm far more comfortable with my crappy keyboard playing and making up my own scales than using scales in Push with the pads etc. The Waveform integration is so cool that I've used that a lot. Personally I like interactive interfaces that aren't mice. :x