Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

[diskowipe]

listen with your ears

[tigali]

Can you link to some of your tunes then? I'll be delighted to use my ears.

[kb420]

[diskowipe]

Can you link to some of your tunes then? I'll be delighted to use my ears.

sure here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba3d6zyKj7g

[kb420]

That sounds like it was done in Ableton Live.

[tigali]

I think if you wanna come on here and diss other peoples music (Monolake in this case) then it's only fair that you post some of your stuff. Or are you all mouth and no trousers?

[tigali]

That sounds like it was done in Ableton Live.

[leisuremuffin]

Good analog practices, such as leaving headroom and keeping track faders below the master fader still apply in the digital domain. (Gannon Kashiwa, digidesign head of marketing quoted from the mixing engineer's handbook 2nd edition by Bobby Owsinski).

I would have to disagree that you need to keep the track faders below the master. I still mix this way out of habit, but it is not going to make a bit of difference on anything using 32bit floating point where you put the master fader so long as the levels leaving the program are good. Shit, you can have 3 utility plugs with the gain turned all the way up on a track and put 3 utilities on the master turned all the way down to bring it back -----> without degrading the signal. go ahead and try it yourself. Don't try to tell me that i can't put that master fader wherever the fuck i want to.



.lm.

[tigali]

What's Irish high toast? I know high tea but not toast.

[starving student]

Good analog practices, such as leaving headroom and keeping track faders below the master fader still apply in the digital domain. (Gannon Kashiwa, digidesign head of marketing quoted from the mixing engineer's handbook 2nd edition by Bobby Owsinski).

I would have to disagree that you need to keep the track faders below the master. I still mix this way out of habit, but it is not going to make a bit of difference on anything using 32bit floating point where you put the master fader so long as the levels leaving the program are good. Shit, you can have 3 utility plugs with the gain turned all the way up on a track and put 3 utilities on the master turned all the way down to bring it back -----> without degrading the signal. go ahead and try it yourself. Don't try to tell me that i can't put that master fader wherever the fuck i want to.



.lm.

ha jersey oakland represent!!!

[obscurityknocks]

People have always been bummed when some new technology comes around and makes it much easier to effortlessly duplicate what took them countless hours to master earlier. This is especially true when they view themselves as "masters of the genre" or "pros", because then they have something to lose. If less dedicated jokers can come close to or equal what they have accomplished, so that the difference becomes negligible to most people, they feel threatened, and lash out to protect their turf.

I've seen it countless times in interviews over the years with artists whose work I really respect, and it's really weak. Yeah, it really sucks that "the masses" can now make something that sounds pretty professional now, isn't it? Now you'll actually have to differentiate yourself with your pure songwriting, production, and arrangement skills, instead of just cool tricks. A real bummer, right?

Or maybe they'll just move the velvet ropes around again to try and make others feel inadequate.

This is not to totally discount the value of experience, and a more nuanced deep listening. But...If they're so freaking "above the fray" talented, knowing that their works of genius will still be revered 80 years from now, then why would they even care enough to be so negative? They're talented and pro enough to take the 4-track cassette recorder posted earlier and make something that they could stand behind, right?

Right?

[leisuremuffin]

What's Irish high toast? I know high tea but not toast.

Irish high toast is a kind of VERY dry and fine nasal tobacco snuff. It's my favorite, amd it's how i broke the habit of chain smoking while i work on tunes.




.lm.

[diskowipe]

seriously though guys...

ableton cant even handle bussing without degrading the signal. says it plain as day in the reference manual. summing at more than one mix point is not neutral. complete crap

you know somethings up when a company has to publish an audio fact sheet about their program because so many people complain...

[[nis]]

Good analog practices, such as leaving headroom and keeping track faders below the master fader still apply in the digital domain. (Gannon Kashiwa, digidesign head of marketing quoted from the mixing engineer's handbook 2nd edition by Bobby Owsinski).

I would have to disagree that you need to keep the track faders below the master. I still mix this way out of habit, but it is not going to make a bit of difference on anything using 32bit floating point where you put the master fader so long as the levels leaving the program are good. Shit, you can have 3 utility plugs with the gain turned all the way up on a track and put 3 utilities on the master turned all the way down to bring it back -----> without degrading the signal. go ahead and try it yourself. Don't try to tell me that i can't put that master fader wherever the fuck i want to.

Yes, but there is a safety limit at +60 dB (or was it +64 dB?). Anything below that won't distort as long as it doesn't pass your DA converters. However, some "vintage" plugins may apply more distortion on higher levels, so you might want to keep it below 0 dBFS anyways.

[derzai]

Can you link to some of your tunes then? I'll be delighted to use my ears.

sure here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba3d6zyKj7g

Yeh that sounds like a fat bass.

Point is that if one says that a fat bass cannot be done in Ableton Live, one in fact says certain wave forms cannot be produced with this program.

That sounds very weird to me.

If some music sounds thin, then I think it sounds thin cause the guy that wrote the music wanted it to sound it that way.

To me it has nothing to do with the software.

Even if every software had his intrinsic colorization, even then it doesnt make sense to me.