Ripping other artists off!

[stringtapper]

If you've ever heard music then you have internalized something that you have inevitably used in your own work.

sure.. especially when experimental music grows into genres this happens ... and is part of the development of music...

but ther is a big difference in this natural grow, where subtile and unconcious refferences are taking place...and the modern rippoff culture.. the fake culture..
And using the one thing to legetimate the own lack of creativity is some kind of evil propaganda..

ther are two tyes of people in the music biz..

the one type makes music..
the other type makes money with music..

and ther is a different set of rules for each type..

so when you think copying is ok.. copy the most actual comercial shit and sell a clone to your local majors..an old practize..
its beneficial for all involved parts..except the unguilty listener ..
ok..any music is good music..

But...
why wasting time to transfer this type of culture to underground styles? you wont make money and the underground styles dont get better this way..

Not all of us live solely in the world of the "produca." There's more than one way to make a living with music, and some of us don't limit ourselves to just dance music.

[3phase]

Not all of us live solely in the world of the "produca." There's more than one way to make a living with music, and some of us don't limit ourselves to just dance music.

so you are the making money with music type? ok.. copying is your biz than..

hunters and gatherers some hunt the wild deer...the others gather them..


you are wright... thats normal... and its maybe really a question of the standpoint..when you have to see it as a biz things have to be done quickly..you cant bother to wait for an inspiration. you do a quick hack and deliver...


However.. I think its necessary to oppose a bit to this point of view.. just to encourage the youth to be original...
without theese old school codex of honor there is no real development in music anymore..
and without that there is nothing fresh for you guys to copy in the future to do the quick hack..

[stringtapper]

Not all of us live solely in the world of the "produca." There's more than one way to make a living with music, and some of us don't limit ourselves to just dance music.

so you are the making money with music type? ok.. copying is your biz than..

Your assumptions are pretty far off friend. Like I said, there are many ways to make money in music.

[q.musgrove]

@3phase

yeah, read my first couple of posts. I think you are misunderstanding what was trying to be communicated.

[SubFunk]

there is one thing i would like to throw into this whole discussion, i think it is really impossible to be totally unique in sound and structure our days, at some point everyone will reach a 'crossover point' everything is so accessible, technical and also the ammount of possible influences of what we can hear.

raises the question, when is a similarity by a sort of coincedence happening or when is it a rip off by will?

[stringtapper]

there is one thing i would like to throw into this whole discussion, i think it is really impossible to be totally unique in sound and structure our days, at some point everyone will reach a 'crossover point' everything is so accessible, technical and also the ammount of possible influences of what we can hear.

I agree and disagree. To an extent it depends on what we're talking about. Are we talking strictly dance music or can we include everything one could consider music? I think that if we consider everything possible that there are certainly prospects for originality in structure.

[ChiDJ]

If what you do brings you and others joy, then it's a beautiful thing.

That is true art. Long live love.

Tod

[sunaivod]

There are TOOOO many people making stuff like Deadmau5
It's like a constant clicktrack with some melody's on it!
PFF

[3phase]

Not all of us live solely in the world of the "produca." There's more than one way to make a living with music, and some of us don't limit ourselves to just dance music.

so you are the making money with music type? ok.. copying is your biz than..

Your assumptions are pretty far off friend. Like I said, there are many ways to make money in music.

as there are ways to do music...

and to the thread opener.. i have read your posts.. and the other anwers.. and you brought the questions up if its allready ripping when you got inspired or dealing with an overhang of memorys that slip into your music.. understood that.. but the thread got into the direction that copying is ok for all means.. and i was oposing to that.. i am aware of that reality is not black and white only...

but to say things i like to go into the extreme positions.. because you cant comunicate a standpoint when you are not clear about it.. And i am very aware of that there is too much copying and to less own searching for originality going on theese days...

However. its on topic to discuss when ripping starts.. to say any copying is ok because its music history and normal is bad propaganda.. and you probably know that otherwise you wouldnt ask yourself such questions...

in your case i would think your are dealing just with the overhang of memorys..and are not ripping..
while others in this thread seem to be well on the ripper side allready..
its actually encouraged by the software industry with all the thousends presets ...
People got used to quickly find an identity for a track even without having worked for that identity with own sound or music design...

sure enough.. software companys are on the making money with music side of the game..so in the end an evil force
evilton live
ups... live is evil reversed..

[SubFunk]

there is one thing i would like to throw into this whole discussion, i think it is really impossible to be totally unique in sound and structure our days, at some point everyone will reach a 'crossover point' everything is so accessible, technical and also the ammount of possible influences of what we can hear.

I agree and disagree. To an extent it depends on what we're talking about. Are we talking strictly dance music or can we include everything one could consider music? I think that if we consider everything possible that there are certainly prospects for originality in structure.

everything music, and yes i should have been more precise... i mean it certainly get's more and more difficult, to much has been done...
of course there is always room, but it get's tighter... and the 'influence' can vary from very little up to a full copy, it was more aimed how to determine a coincidence, let's say i make a track and some dude in NY also makes a track that sound's very similar... it is possible with all the influences we both can have independently and the access to all the same technology... or did we copied of each other by will, who tells?

i recently have been told by a forum member who listened on soundcloud to some of my stuff i would sound like a guy i never ever heard of in my live, hence i can't even remember his name... (i was actually a sort of a bit pissed of, me sounding like someone else... pffff... ) and i did not even thought of trying to be like anyone else at all. well i never do!!! absolutely not! still it happens i sound like it, apparently... that is what i meant.

so what's that then .... also a rip off?

[stringtapper]

And i am very aware of that there is too much copying and to less own searching for originality going on theese days...

Perhaps in your arena of dance music. Broaden your horizons and you will find plenty of originators.

[Shillelagh Law]

i recently have been told by a forum member who listened on soundcloud to some of my stuff i would sound like a guy i never ever heard of in my live, hence i can't even remember his name... (i was actually a sort of a bit pissed of, me sounding like someone else... pffff... ) and i did not even thought of trying to be like anyone else at all. well i never do!!! absolutely not! still it happens i sound like it, apparently... that is what i meant.

so what's that then .... also a rip off?

I'm going to go out on a limb here...but are we talking about house music ?

[3phase]

raises the question, when is a similarity by a sort of coincedence happening or when is it a rip off by will?

I often hard to say.. people that intentionally rip usually hide theire doings better than the unconcious rip from the overhang of memory...

or it really can happen that you play a similar line with a similar sound.. thats an accident or sometimes the inner logic of a sound and not ripping.. but sometimes you choose to forget the nice sequence to dont get a bad name.. other times you just dont care.. actually preset culture is rising that phenomen.

Anyway its a moralic question one has to decide for themself...

In fact there is really a buissness in copying sucessfull tracks.. thats ugly.. but its growing because now its "legitimated" by bad propaganda...

in the 80´s it was really a musicans law to dont sound like anybody else.. it wasn necessary to sound good or play well... but you had to be original.. i think that was a good school and many modern styles emerged from that scool

[Shillelagh Law]

So what's your outlook on Reggae 3phase ?
There's a huge 'riddim' culture there where the music is, ripped ? no not ripped, shared ? passed along in the community ? tweaked ? ... either way sharing riddims and re-inventing them with different lyrics/mc styles and dubbing it is what it's all about.

I for one love that shit, but again, I think it's quite a unique musical culture that wouldn't translate so well to other styles.

also dub is the grand-daddy of modern dance music imo.

[3phase]

And i am very aware of that there is too much copying and to less own searching for originality going on theese days...

Perhaps in your arena of dance music. Broaden your horizons and you will find plenty of originators.

sure..in dancemusic its extreme.. but indy rock or hip hop are not especialy original theese days either... but i am sure there are still musicans that like to do some own music and dont like to play coverversions all day..

actually at all times the coverversion fraction was the majority.. but now they are all releasing artists and not just the handfull of professional major fakes...
So the masses just became visible but was there all the time...
And they dont play ac/dc riffs anymore. they do electronic music.. thats new aswell...