90 minute CD-Rs?

rbro · Post by **rbro** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:50 am

Looks like when all is said and done, the unmastered tracks for my new album will be almost 90 minutes in length and be roughly 1.30GB. It's 9 tracks continuous (gapless). I've rendered it as a single big file for now, but it will need to be mastered and broken into individual tracks. Still I can't imagine the size will change much. Can I get 90 minute CD-Rs at places like Disc Makers to do short run duplications?

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:13 am

80 minutes is the max AFAIK. I think you can overburn by a couple of minutes but it might not work on all systems.

You either have to edit it down or make it a double CD as things stand.

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:08 am

Leeds is right, you can overburn sometimes 83 min or so, but you'd have issues with some players.

rbro · Post by **rbro** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:15 am

What about size? Can I fit 1GB on there? I can trim it down to 60 minutes, but it's about 1GB.

shuutobi · Post by **shuutobi** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:20 am

Short answer:
No.

Long answer:
Yes.

Unfortunately for compatibility issues they are not the best choice for mass compatibility and Redbook audio standard is 79.8minutes. Any replication house would would make you split it into a double disc set.

You could probably find someone that would duplicate the the music on 90 or 99 minutes discs, but I wouldn't sell the music, as there is no guarantee it would even work for the end user. Even giving it away as a freebie, probably not a good idea; You have no clue as to whether or not it worked for them.

I'd go all digital if you want to break the mediums limitations.

rbro · Post by **rbro** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:22 am

I'll trim it down to like 60 minutes and release the other track as bonus material somewhere/somehow.......

shuutobi · Post by **shuutobi** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:23 am

rbro wrote:What about size? Can I fit 1GB on there? I can trim it down to 60 minutes, but it's about 1GB.

You final master should be 44.1 16bit PCM stereo, and at 60minutes that would be 600MB. (1 minute of 44.1 16bit stereo wav audio is 10MB)

rbro · Post by **rbro** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:29 am

shuutobi wrote:
rbro wrote:What about size? Can I fit 1GB on there? I can trim it down to 60 minutes, but it's about 1GB.
You final master should be 44.1 16bit PCM stereo, and at 60minutes that would be 600MB. (1 minute of 44.1 16bit stereo wav audio is 10MB)

OK. I just rendered it as a .wav from Live at 44100/24 and it's about 60 min (1:04:04) and 1.02GB. But it has not yet been mastered. I assume during mastering it generally goes down to 44.1 16bit PCM stereo and that brings it to about 600MB? I was just able to burn it in iTunes to a standard blank CD that says 700MB, so go figure....

ghostly · Post by **ghostly** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:37 am

If it was an audio CD, iTunes will have rendered it tothe standard format, as stated elsewhere, 16 bit, 44.1kHz prior, prior to burning to disc.

ze2be · Post by **ze2be** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:43 am

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Da hand · Post by **Da hand** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:56 am

rbro wrote:
shuutobi wrote:
rbro wrote:What about size? Can I fit 1GB on there? I can trim it down to 60 minutes, but it's about 1GB.
You final master should be 44.1 16bit PCM stereo, and at 60minutes that would be 600MB. (1 minute of 44.1 16bit stereo wav audio is 10MB)
OK. I just rendered it as a .wav from Live at 44100/24 and it's about 60 min (1:04:04) and 1.02GB. But it has not yet been mastered. I assume during mastering it generally goes down to 44.1 16bit PCM stereo and that brings it to about 600MB? I was just able to burn it in iTunes to a standard blank CD that says 700MB, so go figure....

If it was 1.02 GB before at 24 bit, it means iTunes changed the quality of your track down to 16 bit. If you are sending the file for mastering, just burn the 1.02 GB file as data on a DVD (in other words, make a data DVD - not a movie DVD). Most mastering places accept things on DVD.

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:32 pm

+1 da hand.

When you burn audio files to CD they get converted to cda format, which is 44.1/16. Still no way to get 90 min on a CD though.

noistek · Post by **noistek** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:54 pm

Maybe do a "Enhanced CD" with the bonus tracks added as data files (MP3) that the listener can play when they pop the CD in their computer?

shuutobi · Post by **shuutobi** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:03 pm

noistek wrote:Maybe do a "Enhanced CD" with the bonus tracks added as data files (MP3) that the listener can play when they pop the CD in their computer?

Another good idea.

rbro · Post by **rbro** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:38 pm

Yeah, lots of options really. I was going to include a 25 minute "live" track that I only had in MP3 format anyway, but I think I'll just leave that off and have that as a bonus download if you buy the album. A little incentive

That brings the CD down to a manageable 60 minutes or so. Now the trick is how to implement the "bonus download" scenario. I don't want to simply have a single password set up, since that can easily be abused. I love Reverbnation's "free download if you sign up for the mailing list" widget....if I could somehow implement something like that, that's only available to people who've purchased either the physical CD or digital download CD. Any ideas?

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