OSX + Live 8 on Homemade PC?
OSX + Live 8 on Homemade PC?
Hallo...
I would like to know if anybody on this board are succesfully running OSX and Live 8 on a PC?
I am thinking about to put a PC together because i can't afford one of the "Big Pro Macs" I would like to have a lot of cpu power like the new i7 980 processors from Intel. Could you please be so kind to give me some good advices on which parts to buy so i can build my own music pc with the Intel i7?
my budget is low! Max 1000,- EU
Thank you very much
I would like to know if anybody on this board are succesfully running OSX and Live 8 on a PC?
I am thinking about to put a PC together because i can't afford one of the "Big Pro Macs" I would like to have a lot of cpu power like the new i7 980 processors from Intel. Could you please be so kind to give me some good advices on which parts to buy so i can build my own music pc with the Intel i7?
my budget is low! Max 1000,- EU
Thank you very much
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Re: OSX + Live 8 on Homemade PC?
ive seen it done but its buggy / crashy / takes alot of time. .
you can get a decent macbook pro for a little bit over 1000
you can get a decent macbook pro for a little bit over 1000
Re: OSX + Live 8 on Homemade PC?
Yep, I'm running Live on a i7 (920) Hackintosh. Works just like the top of the line Mac. A professional built the rig for me, though, I didn't do it myself.
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Re: OSX + Live 8 on Homemade PC?
There are boards for this you know? X86 project is what to google.
If I had extra $$ I might think about this myself. I'm not a fan of breaking any rules etc. but I've given Apple enough $ to justify a frankenmac or two.
Though I don't think I'll ever get around to it. Thing is it kills one nice thing about Macs, that they're well configured for OSX and take years and years to have any issues with
OS updates.
If I had extra $$ I might think about this myself. I'm not a fan of breaking any rules etc. but I've given Apple enough $ to justify a frankenmac or two.
Though I don't think I'll ever get around to it. Thing is it kills one nice thing about Macs, that they're well configured for OSX and take years and years to have any issues with
OS updates.
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I'm not sure I'd necessarily agree. The one thing that got me going towards HackMacs is exactly that an OS update is just as likely to whack my genuine Mac, these days. (Does Snow Leopard ring a bell, Ableton users? Just off the top of my head.)Machinesworking wrote:one nice thing about Macs, that they're well configured for OSX and take years and years to have any issues with OS updates.
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You're talking about something different there, Snow Leopard required some applications to rewrite their code for compatibility, sure, but any Intel Mac pretty much can run it without running into the sort of hardware issues that Vista ran into.mrdelurk wrote:I'm not sure I'd necessarily agree. The one thing that got me going towards HackMacs is exactly that an OS update is just as likely to whack my genuine Mac, these days. (Does Snow Leopard ring a bell, Ableton users? Just off the top of my head.)Machinesworking wrote:one nice thing about Macs, that they're well configured for OSX and take years and years to have any issues with OS updates.
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xzusa8ky wrote:Hallo...
I would like to know if anybody on this board are succesfully running OSX and Live 8 on a PC?
I am thinking about to put a PC together because i can't afford one of the "Big Pro Macs" I would like to have a lot of cpu power like the new i7 980 processors from Intel. Could you please be so kind to give me some good advices on which parts to buy so i can build my own music pc with the Intel i7?
my budget is low! Max 1000,- EU
Thank you very much
It's going to be tight as you're budget is quite low. Here is a list I just put together for a friend:
1 Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Model BX80601960 $569.00
1 ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $299.00
1 EVGA 512-P3-N871-AR GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $134.99
1 COOLER MASTER Cosmos Pure Black Aluminum / SGCC ATX Full Tower Computer Case $249.99
1 Corsair P128 CMFSSD-128GBG2D 2.5" 128GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $325.00
1 ICY DOCK MB882SP-1S-1B 2.5" to 3.5" SSD & SATA Hard Drive Converter - Black $19.99
1 Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $89.99
1 ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB ... - OEM $22.99
1 Crucial 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model CT3KIT25664BA1067 $140.99
1 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler $49.99
1 CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply $109.99
1 Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound $9.99
1 Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical $14.99
1 Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 $18.99
Total: $2,055.89
All prices of Newegg.com
Re: OSX + Live 8 on Homemade PC?
IMHO once Ableton (or its plugin) stops working, it really makes no difference if it did because of a lowly Vista-style hardware issue, or a noble undertaking (a decimal point update in OSX), it's toast, kaputt, goner just the same. Lately, with this PPC to Intel hop, and then successive waves of OSX 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6, with apps not working on one OSX already, but not fully functional on the next yet, it's the biggest bordello out there in Apple's entire history. I'm still trying to cope with the mess by trying to sync my Ableton G5 to my Ableton IntelMac (so that not-UB plugins can remain in use) with nary too great success. So, stuff not working on "official" Macs after an update? Tell me about it.Machinesworking wrote:Snow Leopard required some applications to rewrite their code for compatibility, sure, but any Intel Mac pretty much can run it without running into the sort of hardware issues that Vista ran into.
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If you are going to do a hackintosh build - then make sure you check exactly what compoents to buy first otherwise you will end up with a very buggy machine.
Nothing to see here - move along!
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Re: OSX + Live 8 on Homemade PC?
Khazul wrote:If you are going to do a hackintosh build - then make sure you check exactly what compoents to buy first otherwise you will end up with a very buggy machine.
not neccessarily, there are tools out there to install vanilla kernels on just about any hardware, you just need to ask google a bit.
thing is that you need patched up kexts of stuff like network and audio etc and that can sometimes be a bit of a pain. i had to flash my graphics card to get full hardware acelleration for example.
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Re: OSX + Live 8 on Homemade PC?
The Intel/PPC jump can't really be counted, it's not an issue of the hardware you buy working but the software manufacturers refusing to port, plus it's an unprecidented move, and probably won't be repeated any time soon. Same with point upgrades, if software breaks it's one thing, but hardware will always work, that, is what I was getting at.mrdelurk wrote:IMHO once Ableton (or its plugin) stops working, it really makes no difference if it did because of a lowly Vista-style hardware issue, or a noble undertaking (a decimal point update in OSX), it's toast, kaputt, goner just the same. Lately, with this PPC to Intel hop, and then successive waves of OSX 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6, with apps not working on one OSX already, but not fully functional on the next yet, it's the biggest bordello out there in Apple's entire history. I'm still trying to cope with the mess by trying to sync my Ableton G5 to my Ableton IntelMac (so that not-UB plugins can remain in use) with nary too great success. So, stuff not working on "official" Macs after an update? Tell me about it.Machinesworking wrote:Snow Leopard required some applications to rewrite their code for compatibility, sure, but any Intel Mac pretty much can run it without running into the sort of hardware issues that Vista ran into.
I appreciate the skill it takes to set up a PC with OSX, but I simply don't see how it's going to make life easier for you, or anybody who does it really. It's cheap for sure, and you can design a killer PC etc. but it's far from being a solution to compatibility issues.
Sync is IMO an Ableton issue, Live is the most fickle sequencer I own when it comes to sync.
Re: OSX + Live 8 on Homemade PC?
Get a Mac mini , load it with ram and you are laughing. I use one for production.xzusa8ky wrote:Hallo...
I would like to know if anybody on this board are succesfully running OSX and Live 8 on a PC?
I am thinking about to put a PC together because i can't afford one of the "Big Pro Macs" I would like to have a lot of cpu power like the new i7 980 processors from Intel. Could you please be so kind to give me some good advices on which parts to buy so i can build my own music pc with the Intel i7?
my budget is low! Max 1000,- EU
Thank you very much
Re: OSX + Live 8 on Homemade PC?
Yes - you can get it up and running on any PC these days (even an nvidia nforce chipset with amd cpu), but dont expect *everything* to actually work, never mind work reliably and with a performance that is on par with the same PC running a windows OS.friend_kami wrote:Khazul wrote:If you are going to do a hackintosh build - then make sure you check exactly what compoents to buy first otherwise you will end up with a very buggy machine.
not neccessarily, there are tools out there to install vanilla kernels on just about any hardware, you just need to ask google a bit.
thing is that you need patched up kexts of stuff like network and audio etc and that can sometimes be a bit of a pain. i had to flash my graphics card to get full hardware acelleration for example.
Generally intel chipsets and CPUs are your best starting point (and people seem to be faring well with X58/i7 from gigabyte and asus), but even that isnt always enough with all the different additional on-board chips for additional essential onboard hardware. So I maintain that if a hackintosh is your aim rather than an after thought - check what works perfectly before you buy any hardware otherwise you Mac OS install will be little more than a curiosity and dont expect relaible low latency use of application like Live etc.
I am tempted to do it on my PC, but I didnt buy for the purpose - was only after I got my PC that I thought about it. Thankfully most of the components in it should be good enough for reliable operation, but even then I am not expecting it to work flawlessly with live and an RME FF400.
Anyway - for the budget, the OP might actually be better off with a mac mini and bootcamping to windows.
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are you sure?Khazul wrote:Yes - you can get it up and running on any PC these days (even an nvidia nforce chipset with amd cpu), but dont expect *everything* to actually work, never mind work reliably and with a performance that is on par with the same PC running a windows OS.friend_kami wrote:Khazul wrote:If you are going to do a hackintosh build - then make sure you check exactly what compoents to buy first otherwise you will end up with a very buggy machine.
not neccessarily, there are tools out there to install vanilla kernels on just about any hardware, you just need to ask google a bit.
thing is that you need patched up kexts of stuff like network and audio etc and that can sometimes be a bit of a pain. i had to flash my graphics card to get full hardware acelleration for example.
cause everything is working here except sleep, which is not an issue since its a desktop. infact, sleep works, it just doesnt automount my work drive upon awake. switching it to a sata drive and thats fixed too.
as for performance, it runs incredibly fast, and its a shit computer. not sure where you get the idea that a hackintosh is slower then the same setup running windows because..well.. its not.
heres an Xbench benchmark for you.
as you can see, it lacks somewhere on the cpu but i may remind you that its a 3.2ghz dual core thats.. well..old.
didnt bench my workdrive because its about to get replaced, its a very old IDE drive. clocks in at about 50ish anyways.
anyways;
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Results 98.13
System Info
Xbench Version 1.3
System Version 10.6.4 (10F569)
Physical RAM 3584 MB
Model iMac9,1
Drive Type WDC WD800JD-00MSA1 WDC WD800JD-00MSA1
CPU Test 80.94
GCD Loop 96.36 5.08 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 80.75 1.92 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 48.94 1.61 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 160.71 27.98 Mops/sec
Thread Test 156.72
Computation 143.40 2.91 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 172.77 7.43 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 118.29
System 116.37
Allocate 107.80 395.89 Kalloc/sec
Fill 130.64 6352.16 MB/sec
Copy 113.01 2334.11 MB/sec
Stream 120.28
Copy 118.49 2447.40 MB/sec
Scale 113.40 2342.78 MB/sec
Add 124.09 2643.33 MB/sec
Triad 125.97 2694.81 MB/sec
Quartz Graphics Test 136.92
Line 145.47 9.69 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 124.21 37.08 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 163.81 13.35 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 80.66 2.03 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 323.68 20.25 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 56.41
Spinning Squares 56.41 71.56 frames/sec
User Interface Test 112.06
Elements 112.06 514.28 refresh/sec
namely the disk is the problem, it ends up at some 50ish as i said but its about to fail anyday anyways and is about to get replaced.
a full bench leaves me at 68~ score with a faulty slow ide drive.
edit: heres the drive btw.
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Results 60.66
System Info
Xbench Version 1.3
System Version 10.6.4 (10F569)
Physical RAM 3584 MB
Model iMac9,1
Drive Type WDC WD800JD-00MSA1 WDC WD800JD-00MSA1
Disk Test 60.66
Sequential 93.33
Uncached Write 93.41 57.35 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 96.40 54.54 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 77.66 22.73 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 112.34 56.46 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 44.93
Uncached Write 15.96 1.69 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 123.88 39.66 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 92.75 0.66 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 133.17 24.71 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Re: OSX + Live 8 on Homemade PC?
My point was, I don't care what the reason is when things stop working; if they stopped working, that's it, we have a problem. So the Intel/PPC upgrade does count - as the mother of all upgrade issues, in fact. No other upgrade caused $10K's worth of my software to go in limbo before.Machinesworking wrote:The Intel/PPC jump can't really be counted, it's not an issue of the hardware you buy working
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