Why does live not record remote midi in clips?

[newtfish]

Hi,

Im having serious problems simply to record midi automation into a midi clip using a remote midi controller. Im totally bemused about live's midi routing:

1) I cannot use live's built in "midi learn" to record into a clip. If I map my remote controller to a knob via midi map, the knob turns just fine, but wont record the knob movements in a clip in midi ctrl lane.

2) I cannot route any midi to VST effects. I tried in instrument, audio and effect racks and also tried in both an audio and midi tracks, but it will not work. Live has no problem recording VSTi's anywhere, why not VST effects?

Whatagwan?

N

[beats me]

The entire theme of Ableton’s forum 2007-2010: Why can’t I record automation in session view?!?!

The answer: It would take a complete program rewrite, could I interest you in some sidechain compression instead?

Rebuttal: Sidechain compression like Daft Punk? Yeah, that is pretty cool.

[JuanSOLO]

Geez, reading the OP took me way back to the day when I was thinking the same thing, "What am I doing WRONG! Surly I am missing something"

Nope, Live is missing something.

[kb420]

It would take a complete program rewrite, could I interest you in some sidechain compression instead?

As buggy as Live 8 is and has been in the last two years, I think that a complete rewrite of the program may be in order anyway.

[beats me]

It would take a complete program rewrite, could I interest you in some sidechain compression instead?

As buggy as Live 8 is and has been in the last two years, I think that a complete rewrite of the program may be in order anyway.

Yeah, I think considering how long 8 has been out there’s a good chance 9 is going to be a complete rewrite.

Maybe as an alternative to complaining abut session view not having recordable automation people should instead go to other DAW developer’s forums and complain that they don’t have session view at all.

Also I have it on good authority that 3 out of 4 dentists recommend Dentyne gum to those who chew gum.

[necho]

Geez, reading the OP took me way back to the day when I was thinking the same thing, "What am I doing WRONG! Surly I am missing something"

three people have asked me that question.


one day...

[fx23]

it's not 2007-2010, Ive found request for session view automation since 2002. 9 years ago.
im sure 80 percent of every new user find this behaviour 'strange '. it also prevent transparent moves session-arrange.
this should have been fixed years ago, before MFL, before racks, before so many things..

[Tone Deft]

it's not 2007-2010, Ive found request for session view automation since 2002. 9 years ago.
im sure 80 percent of every new user find this behaviour 'strange '. it also prevent transparent moves session-arrange.
this should have been fixed years ago, before MFL, before racks, before so many things..

Live has evolved over the years. don't remember where the article is or which it was or if it was a henke post but Live as it is today is NOTHING like what it started out to be. they had no idea it would turn into this, they just rolled with it. next thing you know it's 10+ (?) years later and damn, wouldn't it be nice to have THAT hook in there.

they know, they've heard the complaints for years, they also use the software. I doubt there's an employee at Ableton that isn't completely aware of this limitation.

[fx23]

yep but even at live 3, even before midi and vst, there were automation to session requests.

imo they were pretty aware of live logic features to be implemented next like midi, vst, racks. and now MFL.
they ve chosen not to rewrite before cleaning this flaw and now we are here, 9 years after, still not fixed.
im personally waiting from 7 years.

i was there when henke answered to this around L5. the facts are imo, they didn't rewrote soon enough, and then there
were too much things engaged, but ill stay on my thought, a rewrite is ALWAYS possible.

[newtfish]

actually, im managing to record in session view clips just fine.

The thing im having problems with is live's midi learn. my vst's in built midi learn works and records just fine, but live's midi learn will not do the same thing.

isnt there a way in maxforlive to capture the midi and send it back to the channel? I realise its possible to do this with "external instrument" device, however, you can only have one of those per track (because its an instrument)?

Cheers

[shuutobi]

Yeah, I think considering how long 8 has been out there’s a good chance 9 is going to be a complete rewrite.

Don't ever expect that...
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/ ... 00069.html

[niksG]

Some MIDI controllers, such as some touch-sensitive motorized faders, can send complex MIDI messages. The control may be sending a MIDI message when it is first touched or moved and another message when the control is released. Live may not assign the control correctly because it is learning the last MIDI message that it receives

[newtfish]

so let me get this straight:

I can record midi cc's if a vst has its own midi learn functionality?

But I cannot record midi cc's using live's internal midi (ctrl + m)?

Is there really no way to access live's global midi? Can I not route a track somewhere, or route to midi ox or something?

In this post it seems the person has managed to get live devices to record in session view, or are they wrong? http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27882

How do you "double up" the midi signal as they suggest using midi ox, or midiyoke? The image in the post above seems to down so I cant see how they do it.

Cheers

[fx23]

1)yes
2)yes

3) you can cheat by making a loopback. basically you rec a midi cc to clip, then use a virtual port as output of this track
the parameter that was assigned to this cc can be remoted then if same virtual port is activated as midi remote.
you can do that with midi yoke or loopbe.

but this is m:^¨o!lù a boring workaround cause you have to remember what cc is what and soon you ll reach midi bandwith limits
plus the parameters are then controlled in absolute way with no takover possible.

still if you are a warior thi is indeed the way to go to get automation to session view.

[starving student]

Hi,

Im having serious problems simply to record midi automation into a midi clip using a remote midi controller. Im totally bemused about live's midi routing:

1) I cannot use live's built in "midi learn" to record into a clip. If I map my remote controller to a knob via midi map, the knob turns just fine, but wont record the knob movements in a clip in midi ctrl lane.

2) I cannot route any midi to VST effects. I tried in instrument, audio and effect racks and also tried in both an audio and midi tracks, but it will not work. Live has no problem recording VSTi's anywhere, why not VST effects?

Whatagwan?

N

because Live is not Maschine.