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Dragonbreath
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Drum replacement, Free ableton workaround!!

Post by Dragonbreath » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:05 am

For those are interested in drum replacement like drumagog style I found a way of doing drum replacement with only native functions.

Here it goes.

Il just explain the concept far then Il describe with a specific example from witch I tested the concept.

I do it using ableton groove system
Extract groove from audio track, pull in as a midi track
Apply replacement drum on midi track and done...

I tested the concept with off the floor recording I did for friends of mine
There was bleed in the mic and didnt have a real bass drum mics... sounded pretty thin...
So I tried to EQ and compress to compensate, It helped but garbage in garbage out.
So I duplicated the track so not to mess with my hardwork
I started by changing to EQ so only the transiest from the bass drum would be auditable.
Could still hear the other stuff but now the kick was the loudest element in the track.
Then I applied a gate to everything but the kick, didnt sound very good but its not the point.
Since the clicky muffle kick is the only things coming trough the track Im now good for step 2.

I freeze the gated drum track, drag the copy of clip into a new audio track (I know im at 3 tracks but you only end up with one or two)
I use the frozen copy (so its rendered with all the processing I did) to extract the groove
drag that groove in a midi track
apply sample of choice in drum track
you can then delete your new audio tracks
only keeping your orignal one and the new midi one, maybe group them

What do you guys think

Sorry for the details I wanted the post noob friendly

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Re: Drum replacement, Free ableton workaround!!

Post by juanlittledevil » Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:59 am

That's a nice little trick there...

So what would you do if you also wanted to say replace snares and toms? I'm guessing the key part is isolating the individual drum part right? Still pretty cool trick.

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Re: Drum replacement, Free ableton workaround!!

Post by perplex » Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:17 pm

cool so you layered the snap of the recorded kick into your drums?
where is the sound sample! i wanna hear it

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Re: Drum replacement, Free ableton workaround!!

Post by Dragonbreath » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:54 pm

perplex wrote:cool so you layered the snap of the recorded kick into your drums?
where is the sound sample! i wanna hear it
Im not sure what you mean I can mb upload the set if you want to see...

what im doing is enhancing a live multi mic recording with midi triggered samples

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Re: Drum replacement, Free ableton workaround!!

Post by wehkah » Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:42 pm

very good post!

thxalot!

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Re: Drum replacement, Free ableton workaround!!

Post by Dragonbreath » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:41 am

funken wrote:Yeah. When extracting the groove, zoom in and check that Live has put the markers right. You might need to move them a bit (hold the shift key I think) to get them right. Then when you have extracted it, load it to a midi track and tidy it up, it might need some bits copying to others to complete it.

Well from my experiment, as long you process the track properly before extracting the groove you dont need to adjust anything

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Re: Drum replacement, Free ableton workaround!!

Post by ericzang » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:30 pm

nice one! thank you!
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Re: Drum replacement, Free ableton workaround!!

Post by CloudClod » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:24 pm

THANK YOU!!!

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