the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

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Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

Post by 9V » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:23 pm

and, again, what you don't understand is that sound IN REAL TIME is music (when played by humans). Recorded is just sound. MIDI in real time is music (sound+music). MIDI recorded remains music (because of the code).

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Post by rote fahne » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:25 pm

9V wrote:and, again, what you don't understand is that sound IN REAL TIME is music (when played by humans). Recorded is just sound. MIDI in real time is music (sound+music). MIDI recorded remains music (because of the code).
sound IN REAL TIME can be sound of anything. can be sound of music, can be sound of fart, can be sound of car engine running, can be sound of dog barking etc etc.

So again, sound of what?

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Post by 9V » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:26 pm

sound cannot be noise. A sound is something different from noise, because of different waveforms. That is why neither sound nor noise are "music". Music is the code, abstract. You can "dress" it with whatever you want. Because it is "before" the phisical experience. It is the "airframe", not the "dressed" form.
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Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

Post by rote fahne » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:29 pm

9V wrote:sound cannot be noise. A sound is something different from noise, because of different waveforms. That is why neither sound nor noise are "music". Music is the code, abstract. You can "dress" it with whatever you want. Because it is "before" the phisical experience.
sound can be noise, we call the sound of noise. if sound of noise cannot exist, we could never hear noise. when tv cable gets disconnected, i hear noise, that is, i hear the sound of noise.

even you do, believe me.

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Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

Post by 9V » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:32 pm

the sound of silence :roll:

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Post by rote fahne » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:34 pm

9V wrote:the sound of silence :roll:
the sound of a nutcase.

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Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

Post by 9V » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:40 pm

sorry, i did not want to be rude... but even a child knows the difference between sound (regular waves) and noise (random waves) :roll:

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Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

Post by Guff Tong » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:45 pm

9V wrote:the sound of silence :roll:
.....sound in a vacuum.


I've now put all midi, sound, audio etc. into a vacuum along with this whole, entire thread and am pleased to confirm that can hear nothing.

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Post by rote fahne » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:45 pm

9V wrote:sorry, i did not want to be rude... but even a child knows the difference between sound (regular waves) and noise (random waves) :roll:
even a child, but you dont.

sound can be any waves, venn diagram, sound can be regular waves, sound can be random waves, sound can be square wave, whatever wave you want.

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Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

Post by rote fahne » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:46 pm

Guff Tong wrote:
9V wrote:the sound of silence :roll:
.....sound in a vacuum.


I've now put all midi, sound, audio etc. into a vacuum along with this whole, entire thread and am pleased to confirm that can hear nothing.
yeh sound must go through medium.

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Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

Post by rote fahne » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:48 pm

maybe sound could even go through vacuum, or ether, but then we get metaphysical, and as you said before, its a technical question.
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Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

Post by stringtapper » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:12 pm

9V wrote:sorry, i did not want to be rude... but even a child knows the difference between sound (regular waves) and noise (random waves) :roll:
You need to go back to school. "Sound" encompasses all disturbances of air molecules that can be perceived by the human ear, animals' ears, or by electronic metering equipment. "Noise" is one particular form of sound, as you said "random waves." But "sound" is NOT limited to only "regular waves." A sound can be a single periodic wave (sine), a combination of periodic waves (complex tone), or a combination of aperiodic waves (noise).

So now we know that your understanding of basic acoustics is as abysmal as your understanding of music history.

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Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

Post by rote fahne » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:16 pm

In case somebody is interested in entropic gravity:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropic_gravity

At a symposium at the Dutch Spinoza-institute on 8 December 2009 he introduced a theory of Entropic gravity. In this theory gravity exists because of a difference in concentration of information in the empty space between two masses and its surroundings; he also extrapolates this to General Relativity and quantum mechanics. He said in an interview with the newspaper de Volkskrant[1], "On the smallest level Newton's laws don't apply, but they do for apples and planets. You can compare this to pressure of gas. Molecules themselves don't have any pressure, but a barrel of gas has." It appears that Verlinde's approach to explaining gravity leads naturally to the correct observed strength of dark energy.[2] In June 2011, he was awarded the prestigious Spinoza Prize with a 2.5 million euro grant[3] for this work, including his paper
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Post by rote fahne » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:16 pm

9V wrote:Image
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Post by rote fahne » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:17 pm

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