3dot... wrote:Muzik 4 Machines wrote:that live remote is limited to 1000 scenes, if i had known i wouldnt have spent 1000$ on suite+m4l and bought an octotrack instead, now i'm totally fcuked
more than a 1000 scenes ?! why?! what for ?
does octotrack give you a 1000 of (anything) ?
256 electribe patterns x5 variations per pattern
the octotrack i dunno if it goes over 1000 but IIRC it allows sub patterns like the RM1x did so i could have had say hi hats variations or fills into the pattern
the way my session is set up in live is every pattern in the esx sends a program change that calls a "main" scene in the live set, every main scene has 4 sub scenes (so every song takes 1 perfect page on the apc)
the 4 sub scenes are for variations/fills/breaks
example
song 1 scene 1 is the raw song
(every song in the set use the same tracks as its only midi so the sounds are changed on the hardware)
to fit the 2 apc, tracks are kick, snares, claps, percs, hats, crashes and more hats, followed on the second apc by the synths and samplers)
since i had to make concessions in the track number (normally i would have had kick snare ghost snare clap percs closed hat open hat crash reverse crash closed 2 open 2 but i had to reduce it so i ganged the snares, hats ans crashes, but i still want to have open only or closed only
so...
scene 1 is everything like it came from the tribe (snare and ghost, open and closed hats)
on scene 2 i have the main snare only clip, closed hats only, etc, maybe a bass variation, synth variation
on scene 3 i have only ghost snare and only open hats, another synth variation/solo, bass turnaround
scene 4 and 5 are reserved for breakdowns/buildups
on scene 2-3 the kick, claps and percs are either just not there or also have variations depending on the pattern
my electribe was already full, hence the move to ableton, but to host all 256 scenes with the MINIMUM 4 variations (apc) i need over 1000 scenes, and some songs need 10 15 and some even 20 scenes (big remixes with lots of vocal parts)
i created already 2890 scenes in the session (will reduce it to probably 1500 once everything is set, and i can access them with the mouse, and they play when called from teh remote, but the display stop scrolling at scene 1000 whatever scene is playing
when i use the next/previous mapping from my midi controller, it also blocks at 1000, BUT using the scene select remote works(but 127 values on an infinite encoder on over 2000 scenes makes really rough jumps, as long as its before 1000 i can use scene up/down to fine tune, but over 1000 i need to use the mouse, which frankly in a live situation is totally lame IMOHO, especially since i invested many thousands in hardware and controllers to avoid even having to look at the screen, even less using the mouse
so it seems the unlimited scene they advertise is bullcrap, you can create them but cant access them remotely, so what's the use?
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Those tits look left-heavy 
