Cubase 5... Seriously, wtf??

[regretfullySaid]

if Logic was on the PC it would be gone, no?

I don't think so, and not because of old schoolers who loved using Logic on pc, but because of it's popularity from Mac Users. I see people using Logic more and more.

[ollyb303]

I use both Cubase and Live, both have their strong points, Live for more immediate performance stuff, I use Cubase more for Audio recording, multitracking bands and stuff, the audio editing is second to non in my opinion, I personally wouldn't be without either.

Fair play. I'm sure a lot of the issue was down to my inexperience with the interface as compared to my proficiency with Live's... But just really simple stuff like routing a battery kit to the mixer crippled me in Cubase - 2 minute job in Live.

Personally I hate the floating windows. When I'm mixing, I actually prefer not to see the arrangement. Makes me use my ears.

[Khazul]

So, I'm working on a collab at the moment with a guy who uses Cubase 5 - he didn't want to use Live as he's never used it before and I have used Cubase before, albeit not for about 10 years.

I thought it might have evolved a bit since then, but wow, that program seriously blows. Seems like it's stuck in the fucking dark ages!

Admittedly I'm probably missing the point a fair bit due to the learning curve, but I just cannot get my head round that kind of workflow. Awful.

Managed it for 2 days before I bounced the whole lot out as audio and started over in Live.

Never again.

Have to admit I very get withdrawal symptoms when I have to use Cubase (even V6) for something beyond recording and comping or midi filtering.

Hate doing creative work in it.

[Reversoulmusic]

Thats why there is

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[kb420]

Ableton Live has literally screwed me over. I can't seem to do anything but mix on any other DAW.

[Ben_Binary]

^ NO... the floating mixer is FUCKING AWESOME! i started off on Cubase and i won't jump on the dog it bandwagon, but i do prefer Live... however... the floating mixer is something i really miss from Cubase. i'm not talking about working in session view... i mean in arrange. i record live audio, with the exception of drums most of my audio comes from outside the DAW so arrange is a good place for slicing and dicing. i'd love to have a mixer floating on my second monitor the way i used to in my Cubase SX3 days.

as for the rest; meh.

The fact that Live doesnt have these type of customised windows/panels really lets it down. Big Time shame about that one flaw.

[kanuck]

the audio editing is second to non in my opinion

An honest question, how do you compare Cubase's audio editing/mixing to Pro Tools audio editing/mixing? A lot of engineers hold up Pro Tools as one of the top editing tools. Thanks.

[mholloway]

Cubase does have an excellent sample editor. Other than that, everything feels weirdly dated and cumbersome to use (but perhaps mostly just in comparison to Live).

-M

[hps909]

couldn't agree more. dark ages is right. god, and try setting up rewire instruments, fucking NIGHTMARE. requires like 3-4 channels per instrument - one midi, two audio, and a group for the two audio. insane. in live, dead simple.

-M

what are you on about ?

2 channels,
open a rewire audio track / select rewire output..
open a midi track select rewire instrument as midi output... play midi into the midi track sound comes out the audio track how is that a nightmare?

I use both Cubase and Live, both have their strong points, Live for more immediate performance stuff, I use Cubase more for Audio recording, multitracking bands and stuff, the audio editing is second to non in my opinion, I personally wouldn't be without either.

Fair play. I'm sure a lot of the issue was down to my inexperience with the interface as compared to my proficiency with Live's... But just really simple stuff like routing a battery kit to the mixer crippled me in Cubase - 2 minute job in Live.

Personally I hate the floating windows. When I'm mixing, I actually prefer not to see the arrangement. Makes me use my ears.

really it's down to what your used to i've been using cubase since v3 pre vst pre audio ... it's second nature .

routing a battery kit to the mixer is simplicity in itself .. open a vst rack track ..(not a vst instrument track) select how many outputs you want to use .. cubase automatically creates channels in the mixer for the outs... it's actually easier to do in cubase than it is in live ... live you have to manually open and assign each individual output in the mixer

you've obviously spent far longer in live than in cubase .. i would be the same going to logic it's interface is alien to me but second nature to others

[Khazul]

routing a battery kit to the mixer is simplicity in itself .. open a vst rack track ..(not a vst instrument track) select how many outputs you want to use .. cubase automatically creates channels in the mixer for the outs... it's actually easier to do in cubase than it is in live ...

To be fair - this is an illustration of one of the things about live thats feel very unpolished - there are so many lkittle things like this that just feel unfished because live doesnt do the obvious default thing.

Stupidity around chopping up audio intro clips and all the pissing about you have to go through to set loop lengths etc manually after clicking loop is another example.

Another example - drag in a saved track with routing and it could try to link routing to track with the right nam,e, but no - it does bugger all.

I really ableton would pay attention to these kind of details.

This tends to be were Cubase Logic shine - ie implementing the details of a feature to save lots of messing about for the usual use case and not just the bear minimum, though Cubase had some glaring holes in this respect as well.