Punch in Effects with a single dummy clip! (FINALLY)
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Punch in Effects with a single dummy clip! (FINALLY)
Hey guys, check out my patch for punching in effects-
I got an Allen & Heath Xone:K2 MIDI controller last week and realised that Ableton does not recognise MIDI release commands as a separate signal and that the main ways to do this involve Bome's MIDI Translator (expensive), Max for Live (expensive), by buying a special template from Ill Gates (expensive) or somehow using MIDIPipe (Free but undocumented x complicated) and I wanted a way to do this natively inside of Ableton without third party software.
I spent all day researching on the internet to find that this was a well requested feature and entirely without response from the community.
Everyone called me crazy but I knew in my heart that it could be done.
In the end I managed to refine the method down to a single dummy clip.
>Now you can easily Hold down a midi note to turn on your effect and let go of the note to turn it back off!
So, without further tl;dr I present you with the free
PunchFX rack
The trick was to forget all about MIDI release recognition and focus on the Input signal.
I've done it by having a dummy clip with launch quantization of 1/32 with repeat mode on and loop off.
The first half of the clip sends CC 'on' signal and the second half sends CC 'off' to the beat repeat.
It's constantly being launched before getting to the second half so the beat repeat only knows on until you let go of the clip and it plays out to the end.
The really great thing about this method is that because it uses CC to modify the values so you can assign another MIDI note to the same parameters as the dummy clips and have two separate controls for the same effect.
I've got it set up so that the dummy clips change the beat divisions as well as a knob for MAXIMUM control!
Hope this helps everyone a little bit
Enjoy
Edit- you will need the IAC bus driver turned on for this to work.
I got an Allen & Heath Xone:K2 MIDI controller last week and realised that Ableton does not recognise MIDI release commands as a separate signal and that the main ways to do this involve Bome's MIDI Translator (expensive), Max for Live (expensive), by buying a special template from Ill Gates (expensive) or somehow using MIDIPipe (Free but undocumented x complicated) and I wanted a way to do this natively inside of Ableton without third party software.
I spent all day researching on the internet to find that this was a well requested feature and entirely without response from the community.
Everyone called me crazy but I knew in my heart that it could be done.
In the end I managed to refine the method down to a single dummy clip.
>Now you can easily Hold down a midi note to turn on your effect and let go of the note to turn it back off!
So, without further tl;dr I present you with the free
PunchFX rack
The trick was to forget all about MIDI release recognition and focus on the Input signal.
I've done it by having a dummy clip with launch quantization of 1/32 with repeat mode on and loop off.
The first half of the clip sends CC 'on' signal and the second half sends CC 'off' to the beat repeat.
It's constantly being launched before getting to the second half so the beat repeat only knows on until you let go of the clip and it plays out to the end.
The really great thing about this method is that because it uses CC to modify the values so you can assign another MIDI note to the same parameters as the dummy clips and have two separate controls for the same effect.
I've got it set up so that the dummy clips change the beat divisions as well as a knob for MAXIMUM control!
Hope this helps everyone a little bit
Enjoy
Edit- you will need the IAC bus driver turned on for this to work.
Last edited by zebraloveicing on Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:28 am, edited 4 times in total.
Re: Punch in Effects with a single dummy clip! (FINALLY)
Dude!
Much thanks for this. I actually rarely even bother to come here (it has turned into a regular n00b-fest) and almost never to post a reply... But you did something pretty smart here and kudos for it!
I thought of a thing that might make you upgrade it a bit too ... You could make one pot that controls the midi effect that distributes the incoming note on to different clips .... This would allow you to push one button only and target the given clip by twisting a pot.
Much thanks for this. I actually rarely even bother to come here (it has turned into a regular n00b-fest) and almost never to post a reply... But you did something pretty smart here and kudos for it!
I thought of a thing that might make you upgrade it a bit too ... You could make one pot that controls the midi effect that distributes the incoming note on to different clips .... This would allow you to push one button only and target the given clip by twisting a pot.
Re: Punch in Effects with a single dummy clip! (FINALLY)
I made some test with TouchAble but I seems that Gate Mod and Repeat Mod are not supported :/
However I works great with a launchpad.
However I works great with a launchpad.
My music : Soundcloud
Re: Punch in Effects with a single dummy clip! (FINALLY)
Agreed, Touchable only works with trigger....
Cheers
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Cheers
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Re: Punch in Effects with a single dummy clip! (FINALLY)
sounds tasty, i'll give it a try, thanks!
"it's toe tappingly tragic"
Re: Punch in Effects with a single dummy clip! (FINALLY)
Watched this video today, which discusses creating a MIDI signal path to create punch-in effects. Definitely worth a watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08MbIdNY ... plpp_video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08MbIdNY ... plpp_video
Re: Punch in Effects with a single dummy clip! (FINALLY)
Great tip!JadedEvan wrote:Watched this video today, which discusses creating a MIDI signal path to create punch-in effects. Definitely worth a watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08MbIdNY ... plpp_video
P.S. The remote midi option of the controller has to be off otherwise it won't work.
My music : Soundcloud
Re: Punch in Effects with a single dummy clip! (FINALLY)
Through google i have to find this thread where ableton owns search function can't!
Setting this up with my k2 is harder than i thought. If i have a dj setup with 3 channels audio, their outputs go to Repeat. But when i play the dummy clips nothing happens. When i turn up the macro repeat goes on endlessly. Can someone please explain how to set this up?
I'm quite new to this.
Anyway, cheers OP! Very kind of you to share and explain.
Thanks.
Setting this up with my k2 is harder than i thought. If i have a dj setup with 3 channels audio, their outputs go to Repeat. But when i play the dummy clips nothing happens. When i turn up the macro repeat goes on endlessly. Can someone please explain how to set this up?
I'm quite new to this.
Anyway, cheers OP! Very kind of you to share and explain.
Thanks.