Fuck innovation...where is the soul?

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Post by conny » Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:08 pm

ikeaboy wrote: Maybe your last point conny is only true for the portion of consumers who also make music.
May be true.
I don't make any dancefloor music, so I may be OT from the start here.
Nevertheless, the need to make a living as a producer/musician/composer/performer will always get you to the border of adaption, style, market etc.

And this "conflict" could be seen as productive, not just restricting.
I's like I invented a new language that no one speeks - I have to advertice it on the more or less common market, in "normal" language!

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Post by ewik » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:40 am

i say quit complaining and make your own awesome music with that time, this forum is for a program used for making music, so, get to it!

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Post by ishimaru » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:00 am

Trying to be innovative all the time will kill you but putting some soul into your music or anything will make everything a little better.
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Post by conny » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:51 am

ewik wrote: this forum is for a program used for making music, so, get to it!
See your point but the forum is also like a dresing room, shower etc like where the players rest, peptalk, diskusses strategies and OT and chills out.

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Post by ikeaboy » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:14 am

I agree with conny and in this thread i had something to say for a change and people to talk to about stuff i don't get to talk about normaly. Honestly the
i say quit complaining and make your own awesome music with that time, this forum is for a program used for making music, so, get to it!
theory turns up after a lot of threads here and deservadly so in some cases but don't you think some of the stuff here is worth discusion? And if not here, where?

The whole live thing, the way Angstrom put it, I think about that a lot because its important for me to be both authentic and effective live, and yet these two drives can feel like there pulling me in opposite directions.

And i will spend at least 6 hours today producing as well as pulling my hair out over this shit

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Post by Angstrom » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:15 am

swedish conny wrote:the forum is also like a dresing room, shower etc
surely you mean sauna!

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Post by elemental » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:43 am

all i have to say is

mainstream is bullshit now because it is all about MONEY and MARKETING, not music. There was a time when it was still about music. Not anymore.

There is a lot of amazing music getting produced still, you just have to do your research, dig it out, its effort yes but it will be worth it.

IF you go to McDonalds do you expect good food? No.
So dont follow mainstream music and expect to get something good.

SEARCH AND YOU WILL FIND

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Post by conny » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:13 pm

Angstrom wrote: surely you mean sauna!
Any Finnish guys here?
Yeah - smashing each others back with beech (?) twigs!
Pouring beer on the hot stones so the foggy air smells like a bakery - that's life :lol:

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Post by Benshik » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:29 pm

conny wrote:
Angstrom wrote: surely you mean sauna!
Any Finnish guys here?
Yeah - smashing each others back with beech (?) twigs!
Pouring beer on the hot stones so the foggy air smells like a bakery - that's life :lol:

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Post by ikeaboy » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:01 pm

Nothing ye guys can say is gonna stop me growing my long blond fringe 8)

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Post by spiderprod » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:25 pm

when i produce rock ,i tend to get rid ofthe clic to make the band less adicted to the tempo as it takes the soul out of the track .the tempo tends to follow the mood of certain part of the track .it can vary up to 10 bpm without anyone hearing anything .i have tryed to get some tracks on a clic ,it sound shit .

on this point ,not a single electronic musician has ever been able to produce a track without using tempo as a base for their composition i my studio .does it mean there is no soul left in the track ?
there is obviously a big difference between a guy who press play on a drum machine & a real drummer playing on a real drum kit .

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Post by conny » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:49 pm

Some years ago I did an experimental sound based thing for tape, that became part of a concert by the high school of music in my town.
Afterwards, one of the school teachers said that the piece exposed a high sense of timing. All that "timing" was done by ear, so of course I was flattered, being a non-music-educated guy.
When doing similar things in Live, I notice that I tend to go on the safe side, that is letting things snap to bars etc.

BTW: It's funny that "swing" is a computerized offset...

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Post by conny » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:51 pm

spiderprod wrote: there is obviously a big difference between a guy who press play on a drum machine & a real drummer playing on a real drum kit .
Wel yes. But there are also enough of boring drummers that really could be replaced and inproved by some good programming...

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Post by zion15 » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:14 pm

conny wrote:Any Finnish guys here?
Yeah - smashing each others back with beech (?) twigs!
Pouring beer on the hot stones so the foggy air smells like a bakery - that's life
i'm finnish and prefer my sauna without any extra decoration - just some water to pour into the stones and some good company... and the latter is optional :D
elemental wrote:mainstream is bullshit now because it is all about MONEY and MARKETING, not music. There was a time when it was still about music. Not anymore.
IMO pop music has always been part gimmicks, teen idols and marketing - the whole business side of things is just even more shameless nowadays and no doubt it makes people sick, made me too.

but there IS still music with soul on the mainstream charts, if you're saying it sucks you're missing something. even if you don't like artists like coldplay, franz ferdinand, white stripes, or gorillaz for example, i definitely wouldn't call them bullshit and i'd even go as far as to say that there's at least some very sincere and soulful music on the charts most of the time. hell, even neptunes who seem to be responsible for lots of the big hits nowadays make groovy stuff (whether you like or hate "drop it like it's hot") and seem to know and love music judging by their solo output as N.E.R.D...

with chart hits you just have to stay inside a more limiting set of rules on what a song should be like. creating something cool and unique inside those frames is no less a feat than making a 15 minute track of bleepy noises that actually manages to be interesting :wink:
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Post by leisuremuffin » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:25 pm

polyslax wrote:Let's face it: White folks just can't groove! :wink:

Hmmmm, "The Message" (flash and the furious five) beat programmed by Keith LeBlanc. A white dude. Just the first that comes to mind....


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