Operator's bass is deeper than my hardware synths

[djadonis206]

Curious - a simple sine wave in Operator produces a deeper bass than my slim phatty (which is a triangle) or virus. Even after turning the external instruments up the Virus comes kind of close, but Operator wins the sub bass war

Interesting?

[Tone Deft]

sound card limitation on the inputs? try sending Operator out of the computer and back in through the same path. make sure the RIAA curve isn't being applied on the inputs as well.

[3dot...]

or that the hipass isn't on (if you have a mixer) for the track

[djadonis206]

or that the hipass isn't on (if you have a mixer) for the track

Curious what you mean by this. Do you think the soundcard has a high pass filter/eq on?

Tone - I ran the Operator out and back in, still deeper and more full.

I'm not hating on this strange phenomenon, it just seems odd

[JES]

People think digital synths can't have a deep low end. They can. It's just different.

[fishmonkey]

also a pure sine wave is very different to a triangle wave, which is built from a series of odd harmonics (of decreasing amplitude).

a deep sine wave will always sound more full-bodied than a triangle wave based on the same fundamental frequency.

[djadonis206]

Good point because I can almost get there with a sine wave on the Virus, but the Operator sounds just that much deeper.

I have no problem throwing the Operator underneath my synth parts to give my music some depth and tension - a little hardware mixed with a little software. that's what's up

[mauronedj]

What sound card do you have???

Are you sure that the Phatty and the Virus are connected in the Line input?

The sine is the most perfect wave that you can make, so a cheap converter may not A/D it very well!

JM2C

[ian_halsall]

most likely the sine wave generator in the hardware synths is sampling from a wavetable of values representing a sinewave - dependingin on how it's implemented on both systems the resulting 'real' wave may be less or more like a 'real' sine wave.

You need an analogue oscilloscope to 'see' this.

Or just accept it and move on.

[djadonis206]

Or just accept it and move on.

I'm not hating on this strange phenomenon...

I have no problem throwing the Operator underneath my synth parts to give my music some depth and tension - a little hardware mixed with a little software. that's what's up

Operator wins the sub bass war

I'm using a NI Komplete Audio 6. I've tried connecting both the Moog and Virus to the line ins and Operator still comes out on top. I'll admit, not by much, but just enough.

[yur2die4]

It is more pure. Being a digital representation. But also, everything around you plays into it. The type of speakers. Connections. Wiring. And if placed into music, context and mixing can affect the resulting oomph. Some find different degrees of 'character' in their sines more desirable.

Have you used Spectrum? I also like playing with s(m)exoscope. A freeware vst.

What will you do next? Compare saws? That could have some very interesting results. Especially at different octaves.

[simmerdown]

this op does not surprise me, when i first heard the operator sub a lil poo peeked out

[twisted-space]

this op does not surprise me, when i first had the operator sub a lil poo peeked out

That's more information than we needed.

[lasersounds]

sound card limitation on the inputs? try sending Operator out of the computer and back in through the same path. make sure the RIAA curve isn't being applied on the inputs as well.

The RCA(RIAA) curve is ONLY for phono RCA style inputs. So unless dude is plugging his virus into phono-preamps, i really doubt this has anything to do with it.

[Tone Deft]

sound card limitation on the inputs? try sending Operator out of the computer and back in through the same path. make sure the RIAA curve isn't being applied on the inputs as well.

The RCA(RIAA) curve is ONLY for phono RCA style inputs. So unless dude is plugging his virus into phono-preamps, i really doubt this has anything to do with it.

I know. I also know he's been a gigging DJ so he's used to using the phono inputs.

it's not a clinical answer, just throwing ideas out there.