So I just bought Operator 2 weeks ago for $149 and I get this email today that says
2. One Week Special Offer: Operator plus Live 5 Upgrade!
Upgrade to Live 5 between Live 5 day of release and July 31st and get
Operator for the special price of EUR 89/USD 99. This offer is good for
ALL upgrades to Live 5, including upgrades from Live versions 1 through
4 and from all lite versions.
To take advantage of this special offer, visit www.ableton.com/upgrade
between Live 5 day of release and July 31st, enter your old Live serial
number and complete the order process. You will be provided with your
new serial numbers at the moment of purchase.
So I'm assuming if you already have operator the upgrade will be $50 less right otherwise that's pretty lame guys!
That only seems fair - especially if you just bought the thing
Adonis
WEAK (someone prove me wrong)
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djadonis206
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If you were happy to buy it at that price at the time you bought it (which I assume you were), then tough. Years ago I got this upset when I bought my first Amiga for £399, the next week it went down to £329. But I was about 15 at the time...
The only way to stop this would be to have everything at the same price forever, and never be allowed to increase the price, or lower it, for fear or upsetting someone who just bought it last week. Nonsense basically. How would you like to be asked to send another £20 because they put the price up just after you bought it.
The only way to stop this would be to have everything at the same price forever, and never be allowed to increase the price, or lower it, for fear or upsetting someone who just bought it last week. Nonsense basically. How would you like to be asked to send another £20 because they put the price up just after you bought it.
Re: WEAK (someone prove me wrong)
>that's pretty lame guys!
Not to mention those bulks of shitty presets that'll come up with mass price models...shareware sucks!
/zyn
Not to mention those bulks of shitty presets that'll come up with mass price models...shareware sucks!
/zyn
i bought my operator licence 3 months ago and feel upset, i can only imagine how you feel having bought it 2 weeks ago...
it should at least have been annonced when the pricing for Live5 initially came out.
i know it's only going to last one week, but i'd be happy to have the same discount if all i had to do was to upgrade to Live5 the first week of release.
it should at least have been annonced when the pricing for Live5 initially came out.
i know it's only going to last one week, but i'd be happy to have the same discount if all i had to do was to upgrade to Live5 the first week of release.
*sigh*
Think for a minute. Whenever a special deal comes out, SOMEONE will have bought just before the special, and missed out on a better deal than they got. There's just one sure-fire way to eliminate this perceived "injustice" -- END ALL SPECIAL DEALS and make everyone pay full price.
That's not what you want, is it?
Maybe this true story will help to put this minuscule price difference in better perspective.
I'm poor. Literally. My income is tiny and I have no savings. My pay barely covers the bills, so it's a hand-to-mouth existence. Not long ago I had to fork over a breathtaking $1500 for software required for my work (I'm a programmer: medical, dental, forensics).
The very next week a new version came out. For months previously I'd been trying to learn when the release would be specifically so I wouldn't make a costly mistake, but the company and all its resellers and consultants steadfastly refused to divulge any information that would have helped me to make an intelligent spending decision. When it became clear that further progress on my projects depended on buying this product immediately, I bit the bullet and spent the money.
A week later I got an email saying for a mere $2000 I could upgrade to the new version. I'd have got the exact same price if I had never spent that $1500.
Did I moan and whine about having blown $1500? NO. For a few hours I felt used, yes, and sorely deceived. But whining doesn't win any cigar. Instead of wasting time with recriminations (of myself and those who hadn't levelled with me) I got down to work and USED WHAT I HAD PAID FOR! I'm still using it, and despite not having all the latest goodies it is a very good software package. I use it every day to write professional apps and tools. And I'll keep using it because I can't afford another two thousand bucks.
Unlike the makers of that software, the Abletons haven't concealed their release schedules from anyone. They've been open, honest, and above board. Nobody has gotten shafted, but some people will get an even sweeter deal than the sweet deal others got.
This Operator deal isn't a matter of losing out on seriously big bucks, as my seemingly wasted $1500 was. It's a matter of someone else getting a slightly bigger cookie than the one you got. So what's the problem? You've had longer to enjoy your cookie, right?
My point: Don't begrudge others the good deal they're getting. Instead, be glad that the Abletons -- those guys who make the software we all have fun with, remember them? -- will gain income that will let them keep improving their products... and the Ableton user community will grow.
Rejoice, all ye peoples, for verily thou art blessed, yea, even with a heavenly host and a smooth Operator! *nod* Fer shure.
Now get out there and win one for the Gipper!
Meffy
Think for a minute. Whenever a special deal comes out, SOMEONE will have bought just before the special, and missed out on a better deal than they got. There's just one sure-fire way to eliminate this perceived "injustice" -- END ALL SPECIAL DEALS and make everyone pay full price.
That's not what you want, is it?
Maybe this true story will help to put this minuscule price difference in better perspective.
I'm poor. Literally. My income is tiny and I have no savings. My pay barely covers the bills, so it's a hand-to-mouth existence. Not long ago I had to fork over a breathtaking $1500 for software required for my work (I'm a programmer: medical, dental, forensics).
The very next week a new version came out. For months previously I'd been trying to learn when the release would be specifically so I wouldn't make a costly mistake, but the company and all its resellers and consultants steadfastly refused to divulge any information that would have helped me to make an intelligent spending decision. When it became clear that further progress on my projects depended on buying this product immediately, I bit the bullet and spent the money.
A week later I got an email saying for a mere $2000 I could upgrade to the new version. I'd have got the exact same price if I had never spent that $1500.
Did I moan and whine about having blown $1500? NO. For a few hours I felt used, yes, and sorely deceived. But whining doesn't win any cigar. Instead of wasting time with recriminations (of myself and those who hadn't levelled with me) I got down to work and USED WHAT I HAD PAID FOR! I'm still using it, and despite not having all the latest goodies it is a very good software package. I use it every day to write professional apps and tools. And I'll keep using it because I can't afford another two thousand bucks.
Unlike the makers of that software, the Abletons haven't concealed their release schedules from anyone. They've been open, honest, and above board. Nobody has gotten shafted, but some people will get an even sweeter deal than the sweet deal others got.
This Operator deal isn't a matter of losing out on seriously big bucks, as my seemingly wasted $1500 was. It's a matter of someone else getting a slightly bigger cookie than the one you got. So what's the problem? You've had longer to enjoy your cookie, right?
My point: Don't begrudge others the good deal they're getting. Instead, be glad that the Abletons -- those guys who make the software we all have fun with, remember them? -- will gain income that will let them keep improving their products... and the Ableton user community will grow.
Rejoice, all ye peoples, for verily thou art blessed, yea, even with a heavenly host and a smooth Operator! *nod* Fer shure.
Now get out there and win one for the Gipper!
Meffy
Anyone would be happy if that was the case, but we should remember that Ableton are a business, and any discounted period (especially short length ones) are targetted specifically at increasing the userbase of the product, so more of use use and talk about it, and ergo more people hear about it and learn about it and want to buy it which fuels more sales etc.
It's not a thankyou for loyal customers, or a gesture of goodwill, much as we would like to think it is. Threads like these remind me of the Beta ones a week or so ago, where people kept assuming some divine right to get the Beta before the full release. Well, we have no divine right to discounts either because we are existing users, or bought just before the discount was available. The upgrade price is already discounted by over 75%.
It's not a thankyou for loyal customers, or a gesture of goodwill, much as we would like to think it is. Threads like these remind me of the Beta ones a week or so ago, where people kept assuming some divine right to get the Beta before the full release. Well, we have no divine right to discounts either because we are existing users, or bought just before the discount was available. The upgrade price is already discounted by over 75%.
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djadonis206
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People have been asking about a deal on operator since 5 was announced - no one heard anything and the general consesus of Operator owners was - "That would be weak"
Since Ableton said nothing of the sort I made the assumption they weren't going to do it
All they had to do was say something like 3 weeks ago when we started beta testing and all they should do now is offer those who own Operator a discount on the upgrade as well - that's fair
You can use all the analogies and sarcastic rhetoric you want it's still weak!
a
Since Ableton said nothing of the sort I made the assumption they weren't going to do it
All they had to do was say something like 3 weeks ago when we started beta testing and all they should do now is offer those who own Operator a discount on the upgrade as well - that's fair
You can use all the analogies and sarcastic rhetoric you want it's still weak!
a
That might be all you want to pay for it, but do you seriously think Ableton would bother to produce software like this if people refused to pay more than the equivalent of a couple of CDs, or a hardcover book? Course not, they'd be too busy going bust.kabuki wrote:That is lame. $150 is way too much. $99 is WAY too much. $40 would be about right.
You can't use Operator without Live, so it makes sense to increase sales of Operator by discounting it when you purchase Live. It doesn't make sense to me to then increase your discounted Live upgrade just because you bought Operator already.djadonis206 wrote:People have been asking about a deal on operator since 5 was announced - no one heard anything and the general consesus of Operator owners was - "That would be weak"
Since Ableton said nothing of the sort I made the assumption they weren't going to do it
All they had to do was say something like 3 weeks ago when we started beta testing and all they should do now is offer those who own Operator a discount on the upgrade as well - that's fair
You can use all the analogies and sarcastic rhetoric you want it's still weak!
a
I only upgraded to Live 4 recently. When I did, the price in Euros, was the same as the price in Dollars. This Operator deal now on is 90 Euros or 100 Dollars. I paid the same price in Euros as Dollars just 2 weeks ago, so I want a 10% rebate goddamit!
Makes no sense does it? as is the case with everything you've ever bought, if you were happy to buy at the time, then so be it. One day it will be your turn to luck in on a great deal.
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adonis, there's no sarcasm in my post, just a bit of mild frustration. Analogies there are, and I think they're valid.
You assumed, I assumed, and we both spent more money than we'd have liked to. How will continuing to complain improve things? It wastes your time and mine, distracting from more useful pursuits -- that's all.
I think you're missing one of the most important points I made: No matter when a special is announced, someone will have just missed it. IMO it's not worth the effort of complaining about. Not for more than a few minutes. Harboring resentment over such a thing strikes me as silly and unproductive, but I can't and won't tell you or anyone else not to be resentful. I won't be supportive of that resentment though.
Again I say: you've bought the goods, now use them. You got what you paid for, yes? You haven't been ripped off. Others will get a better deal? Great! More users, more income for the Abes, better stuff in the future. It all comes back to us. We'll all benefit from an increased user base.
And that's got to be good.
[edit] Correction: the two words "remember them?" were indeed sarcastic. :-D
You assumed, I assumed, and we both spent more money than we'd have liked to. How will continuing to complain improve things? It wastes your time and mine, distracting from more useful pursuits -- that's all.
I think you're missing one of the most important points I made: No matter when a special is announced, someone will have just missed it. IMO it's not worth the effort of complaining about. Not for more than a few minutes. Harboring resentment over such a thing strikes me as silly and unproductive, but I can't and won't tell you or anyone else not to be resentful. I won't be supportive of that resentment though.
Again I say: you've bought the goods, now use them. You got what you paid for, yes? You haven't been ripped off. Others will get a better deal? Great! More users, more income for the Abes, better stuff in the future. It all comes back to us. We'll all benefit from an increased user base.
And that's got to be good.
[edit] Correction: the two words "remember them?" were indeed sarcastic. :-D
GEEZ!!!
Man some of you people are WAY too 'deep' in trying to argue the point here.
I agree with the man. People here are musicians, artists, DJ's, etc. etc. The only thing we ALL have in common is that we're consumers. Consumers want the best deal. PERIOD. So if he bought the product at a price, then it goes down soon after, he is entitled to ask for a price adjustment. If you don't agree, don't ask for one yourself. But is is perfectly normal for a retailer/product company to offer good customer service and give price adjustments to those WHO ASK FOR IT. He did, I say give him a $50 price adjustment. I guarantee he will be 10x more loyal to Ableton going forward in exchange to them being loyal to him as a valued customer.
Get off the elite high horse folks!! Give the man his 50 bucks!
p.s. To the poor dude who spent the $1500, you should have asked for something too. I don't respect you more for sucking it up and being all high and mighty, I respect you less for not asking for a little love from that software company. But that's just me.
I agree with the man. People here are musicians, artists, DJ's, etc. etc. The only thing we ALL have in common is that we're consumers. Consumers want the best deal. PERIOD. So if he bought the product at a price, then it goes down soon after, he is entitled to ask for a price adjustment. If you don't agree, don't ask for one yourself. But is is perfectly normal for a retailer/product company to offer good customer service and give price adjustments to those WHO ASK FOR IT. He did, I say give him a $50 price adjustment. I guarantee he will be 10x more loyal to Ableton going forward in exchange to them being loyal to him as a valued customer.
Get off the elite high horse folks!! Give the man his 50 bucks!
p.s. To the poor dude who spent the $1500, you should have asked for something too. I don't respect you more for sucking it up and being all high and mighty, I respect you less for not asking for a little love from that software company. But that's just me.
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