Session automation vs Clip evelopes

[paulmaddox]

Does anyone know if the new session automation will co-exist with the current clip envelopes?

It looks really useful, but the current system with relative rather than absolute values is really useful in many situations.

[glitchrock-buddha]

I've been wondering if the new clip automation will work in a relative manner when you tweak controls that have automation, like clip envelopes work now. Hope so.

[paulmaddox]

Doesn't look like it, as in the video on session automation it shows how the automation is copied to a traditional automation lane (ie. absolute) when moved into arrange. That's the other reason I hope they'lI co-exist really:

1) Having a relative envelope that you can then layer conventional automation over is very useful for a lot of things,

2) I use clip envelopes quite a lot, and part of the appeal is that they're self contained - if all those clip envelopes turned into normal automation lanes when moving from session to arrange, my projects would be a right mess!

[Forge.]

Any automation in Session View becomes track-based automation when clips are recorded or copied into Arrangement View.

clip envelopes, or 'modulation' is still there, but it's hidden by default to avoid confusion.

[paulmaddox]

Cool - I'll be happy then!

[Linear Phase]

Clip automation is something folk have wanted for years, and years and years... If you go back to 2006, you will see threads on this

[gp23]

I was just about to ask this same question. Thinking logically, surely clip modulation envelopes would have to be retained for back-compatibility with sets made in previous versions. So hopefully, they are still there and not hidden too much in 9.