Thank you for that! So if instead of PRO-Q/PRO-C you have EQ8 and Auto-Filter for example and then throw on the VolumeShaper - no delay?CooCooCaCha wrote:I'd recommend checking out the post I made on page 3 with the picture. That should hopefully explain things.soultwist wrote:Please...I too would appreciate an explanation of this PDC problem and how I can recreate it. As I understand it, if I don't use too many external plug-ins I'm fine? As in, stacking Live effects has no effect on delay?
Also
I tested automation delay compensation and it seems that is not fixed either.
LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
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Can you record (CooCooCaCha) the results on another audio track in realtime and compare? I've sort of done the same test like you but volume shaper seems to be showing the wave a bit late compared to what's
recorded on an audio track.
recorded on an audio track.
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Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
I tried it with EQ8 and Auto-filter and I didn't see any delay. I guess it's just with third party plugins.soultwist wrote: Thank you for that! So if instead of PRO-Q/PRO-C you have EQ8 and Auto-Filter for example and then throw on the VolumeShaper - no delay?
I also tried it with some other third-party plugins to rule out the possibility that it was a fabfilter issue but it behaved the same.
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Pretty sure this behavior is intentional. Im not sure but I think theres a way of switchin it on off from the preferencecasiblake wrote:How about the noticeable delay when recording MIDI using IN / AUTO monitoring modes?? This has been an issue for years that I absolutely must have a fix for, otherwise I'm seriously thinking of investing in Reaper or Bitwig.
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Thanks for checking! Looks like I'm...and I would wager most Live users are safe then.CooCooCaCha wrote:I tried it with EQ8 and Auto-filter and I didn't see any delay. I guess it's just with third party plugins.soultwist wrote: Thank you for that! So if instead of PRO-Q/PRO-C you have EQ8 and Auto-Filter for example and then throw on the VolumeShaper - no delay?
I also tried it with some other third-party plugins to rule out the possibility that it was a fabfilter issue but it behaved the same.
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CooCooCaCha wrote:I just got Live 9 and unfortunately found out that the PDC ISSUES ARE NOT FIXED.
As you can see in the image above I loaded a kickdrum into simpler with the following effects chain:
Simpler > Pro-Q > Pro-C > VolumeShaper
As you can see the kick is delayed in VolumeShaper because Live is not compensating for the delay caused by Pro-Q and Pro-C and the kickdrum will shift back and forth in VolumeShaper if I add or remove plugins in the fx chain.
I am incredibly disappointed Ableton. Seriously, wtf.
I cant contain my disappointment of Ableton.
THEY SUCK
its FASCIST Steinberg all over again.
(except Steinberg fixed PDC in 2003)
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"Plugin Delay compensation -PDC WARNING - Ableton Live 9 does not sequence all information correctly in time"
The bigger the project the more out of time it will be.
The bigger the project the more out of time it will be.
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Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
I would wager most liver use some 3rd party effects....
DAWS: Live 11 Suite + PUSH2, Studio One, Bitwig and Reason all via an X32 desk: Instruments: modular and analogue stuff, guitars, basses and drums.
Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
2013 Ableton have notwikipedia wrote:Cubase SX 2.0/Cubase SL2.0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinberg_Cubase
2003
Cubase SX2.0 was hailed by many as a huge leap in functionality. One of the most innovative features was called Timewarp. This allowed users to record music either as MIDI and/or Audio in freetime, without click or metronome, and then move the bars and beats grid to the music, automatically creating a tempo track. The Timewarp tool actually allowed the user to move the gridlines.
Cubase SX2.0 also saw the introduction of Full PDC (plug-in delay compensation). Many plug-ins, particularly those which run on DSP Cards such as UAD-1 or Powercore, cannot process their audio within a 1-sample time period and therefore introduce extra latency into the system. Unchecked, this will cause some audio channels to end up out of sync with others. PDC checks all the various latencies introduced by such plug-ins and creates audio delay buffers to ensure that audio from all channels is correctly synchronized.
"Plugin Delay compensation -PDC WARNING - Ableton Live 9 does not sequence all information correctly in time"
The bigger the project the more out of time it will be.
The bigger the project the more out of time it will be.
Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
Can we get somebody from Ableton to comment on this?
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soultwist wrote:Please...I too would appreciate an explanation of this PDC problem and how I can recreate it. As I understand it, if I don't use too many external plug-ins I'm fine? As in, stacking Live effects has no effect on delay?
Automation
Tempo synced plugs
go out of time when you add plugs
test one - "automation"
- make "automation" 1 beat up 1 beat down (filter on off switch will do it)
add a few plugs
listen to the "automation" being wrong every plug you add
- add a tempo sync plug (like noise gate or LFO filter set to square )
add a few plugs after is ok
add a few plugs BEFORE "tempo sync plug" is out of time
listen to the "tempo sync plug" being wrong every plug you add
"Plugin Delay compensation -PDC WARNING - Ableton Live 9 does not sequence all information correctly in time"
The bigger the project the more out of time it will be.
The bigger the project the more out of time it will be.
Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
Ableton response will be something like this (UK add):esp81 wrote:Can we get somebody from Ableton to comment on this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEYjIZ-K7UE
"Plugin Delay compensation -PDC WARNING - Ableton Live 9 does not sequence all information correctly in time"
The bigger the project the more out of time it will be.
The bigger the project the more out of time it will be.
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Is that only for live playback or does it export that way too?
Is there any way you can use track delay offsets to work around it?
Is there any way you can use track delay offsets to work around it?
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There's no real workaround besides not using any 3rd party plugins, which is completely ridiculous for such expensive software. Every other DAW already does this stuff properly.
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Super disappointing, this fix was kind of a necessity for me.
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This is really poor form - one of the things I was hoping to be sorted for sure