LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
people are confusing this issue with others and the ones making all the noise aren't helping to clear that up?
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Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
It happens with some of Lives plugs to. And racks.esp81 wrote:There's no real workaround besides not using any 3rd party plugins, which is completely ridiculous for such expensive software. Every other DAW already does this stuff properly.
Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
Definite ambiguity here, I'm concerned about PDC and PDC on automation. There seems to be a response from Ableton regarding PDC for internal plugins, but nothing about automation or 3rd party improvements. It's concerning that these issues aren't addressed, even via comment.
Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
what do you need to know? when using plug-ins that introduce a time delay be careful with your automation. if you work on a project for a while and it just doesn't sound as good as it used to, look for this problem.sdfak1234 wrote:Definite ambiguity here, I'm concerned about PDC and PDC on automation. There seems to be a response from Ableton regarding PDC for internal plugins, but nothing about automation or 3rd party improvements. It's concerning that these issues aren't addressed, even via comment.
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Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
Likewise. I've learned to work around the issue - largely by bouncing stuff to audio, but it's really disappointing to hear that this doesn't seem to be fixed in 9.sdfak1234 wrote:Definite ambiguity here, I'm concerned about PDC and PDC on automation.
I remember there being talk in the past that it was due to Live being optimised for live performance, so as not to cause lag when twiddling a knob in a performance (which is logical), but surely a switchable "Live Mode / Accurate Mode" scenario would solve this?
Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
I want to know if it's been compensated or not. To me this is theoretically possible if a plugin behaves. I don't think it's a good solution to look for the problem if your sound falls off, obviously I've had to do this many times, and it's not good, largely you have to rollback over changes on top of things, it can be destructive, I'll be honest though, I have gotten much better at making sure it doesn't happen in the first place, it's just a drain on my work flow and you can miss the delays which causes a kind of paranoia whilst working and it's definitely disruptive. I've also noticed that this problem seems to have gotten worse over time, probably due to more process heavy VSTs. I also think it's one of the reasons why producers bitch about live's sound quality, because it's not immediately obvious what is happening... as others have pointed out it is weird how your songs seem to fall apart due to FX configuration, and as I said, it can be really hard putting the pieces back together, there is a chain reaction.Tone Deft wrote:what do you need to know? when using plug-ins that introduce a time delay be careful with your automation. if you work on a project for a while and it just doesn't sound as good as it used to, look for this problem.sdfak1234 wrote:Definite ambiguity here, I'm concerned about PDC and PDC on automation. There seems to be a response from Ableton regarding PDC for internal plugins, but nothing about automation or 3rd party improvements. It's concerning that these issues aren't addressed, even via comment.
Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
well at least it's been picked up now in beta testing. maybe it'll get fixed, Q1 2013 is plenty of time to get it right innit.
Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
I think this problem has been around for at least a few years, it's a core issue that at least some people were expecting, I think it's fair to say if it isn't in the beta, it probably isn't going to happen.oddstep wrote:well at least it's been picked up now in beta testing. maybe it'll get fixed, Q1 2013 is plenty of time to get it right innit.
Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
they might not want to say it's working or not until it's beta tested. maybe it should be working, then they find out it's not. the bonobos will go apeshit.
maybe a list of all the Live devices' parameters with a yay or nay on which parameters are compensated for.
third party stuff would be tricky, both parties have to have their acts together.
I only use Live, here's a QUICK search for other DAWs:
Logic Express has PDC
http://documentation.apple.com/en/logic ... tasks=true
Fruity Loops seem to suggest a workaround with a 'create sub-mix to' bus
http://findremix.com/flstudio-tutorial- ... de-simple/
Pro Tools - only the HD version
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showwiki ... ools-LE-MP
Sonar's had it all along
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/ ... mpensation
no time ATM to finish that list...
maybe a list of all the Live devices' parameters with a yay or nay on which parameters are compensated for.
third party stuff would be tricky, both parties have to have their acts together.
I only use Live, here's a QUICK search for other DAWs:
Logic Express has PDC
http://documentation.apple.com/en/logic ... tasks=true
Fruity Loops seem to suggest a workaround with a 'create sub-mix to' bus
http://findremix.com/flstudio-tutorial- ... de-simple/
Pro Tools - only the HD version
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showwiki ... ools-LE-MP
Sonar's had it all along
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/ ... mpensation
no time ATM to finish that list...
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Why do I smile
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Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
This article refers to pro tools 7.4... now we have PT10 which has pdc... the exact sample compensation is shown in each track.
Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
Listen to Tone Deft folks, he has history on this. He's the only one who understands the situation. Hence the reference to everyone else as apes.Tone Deft wrote:they might not want to say it's working or not until it's beta tested. maybe it should be working, then they find out it's not. the bonobos will go apeshit.
maybe a list of all the Live devices' parameters with a yay or nay on which parameters are compensated for.
third party stuff would be tricky, both parties have to have their acts together.
Anyone who brings this issue up not only does not understand, but will eventually be labelled a "bitcher" and a "whiner" if they counter his stance.
He is treading carefully so far here in the face of a huge weight of evidence that this issue may be unacceptable after all. I wonder Tone Deft - if it is sorted for Live 9, will you admit that it was a problem all along? And if it isn't, will you continue with the 'well, if Ableton don't think it's important enough to include, then there's no need for it to be there' stance?
Both are really weird and I can't work out your agenda at all.
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Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
Hes just boored at work as usual, arent you Tone
Heres a list 3dot started a while ago about the latency of each of Lives plugs and devices.
I think they might have updated eq8s latency in Live 9, didnt we read about that somewhere?
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=177073
Heres a list 3dot started a while ago about the latency of each of Lives plugs and devices.
I think they might have updated eq8s latency in Live 9, didnt we read about that somewhere?
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=177073
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Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
How can DAW add delay not only to audio but also to the Automation and MIDI? It will need delay compensators for every plugin wrapper, sliders and knobs.
Are there any sequencers that do this?
Are there any sequencers that do this?
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Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
thanks coocoocacha for the information...im very disappointed....but i hope it will be implemented for the live 9 official release !
ps: ive just discovered my new live 8 to suite 9 upgrading price...thanks for making my choice simpler
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Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?
Yes..Cubase, Pro Tools, and FL Studio do compensate automation.pencilrocket wrote:How can DAW add delay not only to audio but also to the Automation and MIDI? It will need delay compensators for every plugin wrapper, sliders and knobs.
Are there any sequencers that do this?