H20nly wrote:beatmunga wrote:(PS The whole Star Wars franchise doesn't count. It is set in a very distant past, has supernatural forces as the centrepiece of it's story, and is therefore a Sword and Sandals/Fantasy epic with particularly exotic locations and alternative technology. No more Sci Fi than Lord of the Rings
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sci-fi = science fiction. the time line is irrelevant as is the mysticism... the technology and location (among the stars) is what make it science fiction.
What's scientific about faith, religion, good 'forces' verses evil? Fundamentally unscientific concepts are at the heart of the story. The sci-fi element is there merely as a setting. I'll never forget as a kid being quite miffed when my Dad was talking to some blokes in a pub and he said I liked Star Wars, leading one of them to ask what that film was about. One of the others replied 'oh, you know, it's that far fetched thing.' I got quite defensive - it could happen!
He was right. It couldn't. It is childish, fun nonsense but not worthy of being ranked alongside any half decent science fiction in my opinion. Good sic-fi needs at least a smidgin of verisimilitude. Great sci-fi often has loads of it.
Incidentally, if something taking place off-world automatically makes it sci-fi, what about The Wizard of Oz, or the Narnia series? Is a portal to another world less valid than a boy's toy spaceship?
However, If we are accepting childish guilty pleasure fantasies masquerading as sci-fi, then I pick the 1980 Flash Gordon. It is quite stunningly beautiful to watch, especially in glorious HD. And a Camp as Christmas classic.