Gun control? We need medication control!!!!!

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I understand he can make some good points but it isn't just about style, it's about character. He favors rebellion over logic sometimes, for the sake of rebellion, even if an idea is so wack there's no way it could be plausible. I posted the full Ventura/Piers interview on the 911 thread that got deleted.
I was disappointed to see that Ventura has his own conspiracy show, rife with cliched low-budget daytime journalism show sensational editing and having Jones as a regular. This just puts Ventura more in the conspiracy nutjob corner which severely hurts his chances to being taken seriously as a presidential candidate.

If Jones could act like a mature professional, take a breath, and occasionally say, sorry, but that theory is mental, it would help.
He does make some great points, and I don't doubt his passion, but he won't be taken seriously until he settles down, acts respectful and professional. I mean, breaking off into a "I can talk like this too *brit accent*" is a shining example. For the sake of what he's fighting for, he needs to stop acting like a childish spaz and play nice. Have some restraint otherwise the people he's trying to convince are just going to shrug him off as a basketcase and the only people left listening are basketcases. This is why people start their argument with "I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but..."

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I understand he can make some good points but it isn't just about style, it's about character. He favors rebellion over logic sometimes, for the sake of rebellion, even if an idea is so wack there's no way it could be plausible. I posted the full Ventura/Piers interview on the 911 thread that got deleted.
I was disappointed to see that Ventura has his own conspiracy show, rife with cliched low-budget daytime journalism show sensational editing and having Jones as a regular. This just puts Ventura more in the conspiracy nutjob corner which severely hurts his chances to being taken seriously as a presidential candidate.

If Jones could act like a mature professional, take a breath, and occasionally say, sorry, but that theory is mental, it would help.
He does make some great points, and I don't doubt his passion, but he won't be taken seriously until he settles down, acts respectful and professional. I mean, breaking off into a "I can talk like this too *brit accent*" is a shining example. For the sake of what he's fighting for, he needs to stop acting like a childish spaz and play nice. Have some restraint otherwise the people he's trying to convince are just going to shrug him off as a basketcase and the only people left listening are basketcases. This is why people start their argument with "I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but..."

Your right that Alex was disrespectful to Piers with the whole *brit accent*
thing and while Piers *IS* a bully himself he was treating Alex with civility and deserved to be treated in kind.

Now, not everyone is going to have the character and comportment of Barack Obama. If Jesse Ventura is classified by you as a conspiracy nutjob merely because his show was sensationalist and had Alex on, I think style trumped
substance for you.

It's interesting that conspiracy theorists are nut jobs and basketcases and shouldn't be on mainstream media;yet, Ann Coulter is a commentator on many
respected political shows.

BTW, I don't agree with what everything Alex says, or with what anyone else says 100% of the time. Even if I respect them a lot.

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You're misunderstanding my view on Ventura. Like I said, I posted the full interview in a thread. But in the context of trying to be a presidential candidate, putting yourself with Alex Jones and a conspiracy show is just going to hurt his public image more (he's already been openly atheist and called religious people weak-minded). I'm talking about this in the context of public image. Public meaning the short-attention span, easily persuaded, highly ignorant just base your opinion on whichever news spoon you like to feed from kind.

I'm just saying, if he wants anything close to be taken seriously by the general public and more enlightened public, he should distance himself from Jones, because all that will be left as his supporters are rebellious to be rebellious conspiracy bandwagoners. People with mistrust who will latch onto any other idea simply because it isn't status quo.

I mean, there's plenty of people with a level head who can agree with and support Ron Paul, but that isn't to say that he also doesn't have support by people who are just as ignorant and not-so-level headed in the "everything is wrong" arena.

Fight your fight, but if you really want to get mass votes, lose association with loose cannons with a not-so-respected reputation. At least play along a little to get your foot in the door.

It's interesting that conspiracy theorists are nut jobs and basketcases and shouldn't be on mainstream media;yet, Ann Coulter is a commentator on many
respected political shows.

Well if you look at her Early Life and Career background it shouldn't be hard to believe. Compare that to Jones. And it still includes character. He's like a constantly barking bulldog trying to break his chain leash tied to a stake. That's not a very attractive kind of thing you want to invite to anything.

In general you don't see many because there aren't many who are level-headed and thorough or just straight up "normal and civil" enough to bring up convincing arguments to where it counts. It's just part of the territory. That's why I gave Zappa as an example. He's able to voice his arguments to the mainstream because he's civil and centered.

Also using him as an example to troubled kids, his playing with explosives as a kid would've easily labeled him as a "terrorist in the making" in this day and age.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cue0mUTygqo

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You're misunderstanding my view on Ventura. Like I said, I posted the full interview in a thread. But in the context of trying to be a presidential candidate, putting yourself with Alex Jones and a conspiracy show is just going to hurt his public image more (he's already been openly atheist and called religious people weak-minded). I'm talking about this in the context of public image. Public meaning the short-attention span, easily persuaded, highly ignorant just base your opinion on whichever news spoon you like to feed from kind.

I'm just saying, if he wants anything close to be taken seriously by the general public and more enlightened public, he should distance himself from Jones, because all that will be left as his supporters are rebellious to be rebellious conspiracy bandwagoners. People with mistrust who will latch onto any other idea simply because it isn't status quo.

I mean, there's plenty of people with a level head who can agree with and support Ron Paul, but that isn't to say that he also doesn't have support by people who are just as ignorant and not-so-level headed in the "everything is wrong" arena.

Fight your fight, but if you really want to get mass votes, lose association with loose cannons with a not-so-respected reputation. At least play along a little to get your foot in the door. That's what Obama did.

In the context of becoming a viable presidential candidate, I totally agree with you.

Video Update:
Piers Morgan Alan Dershowitz: Alex Jones 'Rambling' And 'Unhinged

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3o8VetVSq4

Armed Mafia Are Stalking Us: Post Piers Morgan Debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... E9hAXXB4#!

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Dude is a full on spaz

Why can't there be a centered adult like Frank Zappa as the posterchid for questioning authoritay and conspiracy talk?

There is-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... hsPxkgfAAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... oGP93KSAqA

BTW, here's the BBC video Jesse was referring to and Piers ignored.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI

Sure, Alex is a loud mouth and he doesn't come across well but he was making solid points.

Why does style blind people over substance?

People who dismiss the substance of what Alex was saying are already bias against his point of view and can only attack him and not his message.

what i find more interesting is why alex is letting people be blinded by style over substance, hes a professional broadcaster FFS not some random off the street suddenly in a studio and unable to handle it.
Its almost like he wanted to look bad.

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Dude is a full on spaz

Why can't there be a centered adult like Frank Zappa as the posterchid for questioning authoritay and conspiracy talk?

There is-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... hsPxkgfAAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... oGP93KSAqA

BTW, here's the BBC video Jesse was referring to and Piers ignored.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI

Sure, Alex is a loud mouth and he doesn't come across well but he was making solid points.

Why does style blind people over substance?

People who dismiss the substance of what Alex was saying are already bias against his point of view and can only attack him and not his message.

what i find more interesting is why alex is letting people be blinded by style over substance, hes a professional broadcaster FFS not some random off the street suddenly in a studio and unable to handle it.
Its almost like he wanted to look bad.

That's great that you noticed that. Many people believe while he says some truths, he's actually just another pawn playing his part. Some believe Ron Paul, David Ike and Jesse Ventura are just puppets. I think there is a lot
of wisdom in that. For people who don't look deeper, Alex could be used in a way to derail and undermine the cause through his shenanigans.

Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders are politicians I actually TRUST.

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I liked what Ventura said on the RT interview about politicians having uniforms like Nascar drivers. BRILLIANT.

I have to throw this in somewhere:

https://vimeo.com/49021336

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I liked what Ventura said on the RT interview about politicians having uniforms like Nascar drivers. BRILLIANT.

I have to throw this in somewhere:

https://vimeo.com/49021336

While this documentary is excellent, 1.23.28 and onward is a MUST SEE.

I don't think it was a coincidence that Live Aid was held at the same time
as Make Poverty History. They sure are sneaky and intelligent.

These videos are also relevant to the Live 8 part of the documentary and fame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pjzCnm9 ... C2&index=7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LazyOfn1 ... A3BCB0EAC2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSXdhtmc ... A3BCB0EAC2

[ian_halsall]

You gotta see this Piers Morgan interview with this redneck dude from some insane part of US of A.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ntrol.html

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Alex Jones vs Piers Morgan On Gun Control - CNN 1/7/2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg

LOL!!! Piers Morgan avoids the drug violence connection like the plague.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart- ... ry-hitler/

"[John Stewart] finally addressed the Piers Morgan interview last night as well as several other instances of gun advocates fearing a repeat of Hitler’s reign or Mao’s or Stalin’s.

“Now I get it, now I see what’s happening,” he said. “Their paranoid fear of a possible dystopic future prevents us from addressing our actual dystopic present.” We can’t do anything, he added, because the right is too worried about the rise of “imaginary Hitler.”"

[ian_halsall]

I suppose it's an interesting argument that if the population has guns the dictators are less likely to take power.

But given that the US is the only example of a country that allows guns in such numbers are there are lots of other countries that don't allow guns which have experienced no recent dictators I think the argument is utterly facile and without merit.

[ian_halsall]

Alex Jones vs Piers Morgan On Gun Control - CNN 1/7/2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg

LOL!!! Piers Morgan avoids the drug violence connection like the plague.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart- ... ry-hitler/

"[John Stewart] finally addressed the Piers Morgan interview last night as well as several other instances of gun advocates fearing a repeat of Hitler’s reign or Mao’s or Stalin’s.

“Now I get it, now I see what’s happening,” he said. “Their paranoid fear of a possible dystopic future prevents us from addressing our actual dystopic present.” We can’t do anything, he added, because the right is too worried about the rise of “imaginary Hitler.”"

I think what he was actually saying was "we like guns here and are prepared to pay the social price and mostly it's gangs anyway so it doesn't matter so pi55 off you liberal European pinkos"

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In the state of arizona it's completely legal to walk into a gun store, purchase $10,000 worth of guns, sign that you intend to keep the guns for yourself and walk out of the store and sell the guns to the cartels.

us attorney in az refuses to grant arrest warrents for cases as described above.

because, hey the dude could have changed his mind after he walked out the door and that's perfectly legal.

bottom line, the criminal cartels are big customers for the gun industry.

cutting off their access to easy guns would be bad for some folks business and mighty capitalism rules all.

I don't care what kind of guns people own, I own guns myself.

Guns should be registered like cars are, and if something goes wrong with your gun and you didn't report it before the incident it's your fault.

[Vivo]

You gotta see this Piers Morgan interview with this redneck dude from some insane part of US of A.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ntrol.html

Controlled opposition.

[ian_halsall]

In the state of arizona it's completely legal to walk into a gun store, purchase $10,000 worth of guns, sign that you intend to keep the guns for yourself and walk out of the store and sell the guns to the cartels.

us attorney in az refuses to grant arrest warrents for cases as described above.

because, hey the dude could have changed his mind after he walked out the door and that's perfectly legal.

bottom line, the criminal cartels are big customers for the gun industry.

cutting off their access to easy guns would be bad for some folks business and mighty capitalism rules all.

I don't care what kind of guns people own, I own guns myself.

Guns should be registered like cars are, and if something goes wrong with your gun and you didn't report it before the incident it's your fault.

I like the cars analogy - but do you think that making the license holder of the gun responsible would decrease the problem?